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I use gEDA for commercial purposes. Regarding ordinary users, the majority
of developers on this list totally ignore us. This is nothing new - It has
been the dynamic for years and personally, I do not expect this aspect to
change. The difference between me and HUNDREDS  of users over the last 10
years is I have managed to figure out how to use the tools without asking
for help. Say what you will, this list is not user friendly. Flame me for
stating the facts...

Regards


Marvin Dickens

This message was sent from my Android - Please excuse my brevity.
On Oct 8, 2015 11:30 AM, "Stefan Salewski" <mail AT ssalewski DOT de> wrote:

> On Thu, 2015-10-08 at 05:56 +0200, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
> > > That's what we like to believe. But what if the full user base is
> > not
> > > that much larger than the subscriber list of the mailing list?
> > Partly
> > > serious. Are there any hints to realistic estimates?
> >
> > I have the same impression.
>
> I too. There may exist tools in the world with a large invisible user
> base, mostly simple perfect working tools, maybe supported by fine
> manuals or books. More complicated, advanced tools like gEDA/PCB/gnucap
> generally generate user noise, which is reflected in forum or mailing
> list traffic. I was the one that asked some months ago if gEDA is fully
> death. Obviously it is not, but I do not think that it has more active
> users than the persons posting in the last weeks. Have not count them,
> maybe twenty? And not all of them are really using the tools currently.
> I have not for last 7 years. Maybe there are indeed some invisible users
> (a poll in a german forum gave 7 gEDA users recently -- well I guess
> that are more persons that have someone tried it.)
>
> So my guess is: 10 persons using it even for commercial tasks, 10 power
> users using it more than one hour per week, and maybe 10 people using it
> at least once each year.
>
>
>

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<p dir=3D"ltr">I use gEDA for commercial purposes. Regarding ordinary users=
, the majority of developers on this list totally ignore us. This is nothin=
g new - It has been the dynamic for years and personally, I do not expect t=
his aspect to change. The difference between me and HUNDREDS=C2=A0 of users=
 over the last 10 years is I have managed to figure out how to use the tool=
s without asking for help. Say what you will, this list is not user friendl=
y. Flame me for stating the facts...</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Regards<br><br><br></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Marvin Dickens</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">This message was sent from my Android - Please excuse my bre=
vity.</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Oct 8, 2015 11:30 AM, &quot;Stefan Salewski&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mail AT ssalewski DOT de">mail AT ssalewski DOT de</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Thu, 2015-10-=
08 at 05:56 +0200, <a href=3D"mailto:gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu">gedau AT igor2 DOT repo.=
hu</a> wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; That&#39;s what we like to believe. But what if the full user bas=
e is<br>
&gt; not<br>
&gt; &gt; that much larger than the subscriber list of the mailing list?<br=
>
&gt; Partly<br>
&gt; &gt; serious. Are there any hints to realistic estimates?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I have the same impression.<br>
<br>
I too. There may exist tools in the world with a large invisible user<br>
base, mostly simple perfect working tools, maybe supported by fine<br>
manuals or books. More complicated, advanced tools like gEDA/PCB/gnucap<br>
generally generate user noise, which is reflected in forum or mailing<br>
list traffic. I was the one that asked some months ago if gEDA is fully<br>
death. Obviously it is not, but I do not think that it has more active<br>
users than the persons posting in the last weeks. Have not count them,<br>
maybe twenty? And not all of them are really using the tools currently.<br>
I have not for last 7 years. Maybe there are indeed some invisible users<br=
>
(a poll in a german forum gave 7 gEDA users recently -- well I guess<br>
that are more persons that have someone tried it.)<br>
<br>
So my guess is: 10 persons using it even for commercial tasks, 10 power<br>
users using it more than one hour per week, and maybe 10 people using it<br=
>
at least once each year.<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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