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Date:	Thu, 17 Sep 2015 08:06:24 +0300
From:	"Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 01:36:19AM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via 
> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> 
> >> 2. Not everyone who should be is on the developers list is because
> >> some folks wanted to play gate keeper. This killed off trolling and
> > Please tell me privately whom you want to see on the developer list.
> 
> Decision making in private, i.e with no communication to the general 
> public, was the way to run all things geda since at least 2009. It seems  
> plausible, that this contributed to drive the project into the sad state 
> which it currently is. Make people feel not involved and they tend to walk 
> away where they feel more welcome.
> Note, I am not lobbying to hold general votes. The keyword above is 
> communication. 
It was not about hiding names of heroes. It was just about not flooding
the list. If you want to discuss names, let's do it in another thread. 
> 
> 
> > I could not say about other developers, but my feel is I'd now more
> > appreciate one patch rather than hundreds of "great ideas of how to
> > develop further" in the list.
> 
> There is a tradition to let patches bit rot on launchpad. New ideas get 
> relegated to "plugins"  "feature-branches"  
> Back in 2009 when I was motivated to get involved in geda coding, I had to 
> ask several times with weeks or months in between on the list to read "no 
> time" and finally "don't like". 
Please see, we are keep working on the project trying to apply patches
and fix bugs. I don't really understand what you're complaining about?
...
> Moving topics to a closed list puts those off, who are outside the gates. 
> This may be acceptable in a situation where crowd are eager to join. 
> However, with geda the opposite is true. The project desperately needs 
> contributors.
Sure. If you or John Doty would ever try to join the gEDA developer
team, I gladly approved both of you. However, sometimes it seems to me
both of you are trying to distance yourself from other developers.

Cheers,
  Vladimir

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