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On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 11:35:49PM +0000, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
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> You have my agreement until you get to scheme. Irrespective of
> technical attracting new developers is harder when you are using a
> language that is itself falling in popularity. It is just another
> barrier to entry for new contributors. Most people already know C
> almost no one comes to this project already knowing scheme.
Some fifteen years ago, in my DOS/Windows life, nobody around me
programmed in C. What I saw were Pascal/Delphy, various Basic's and
Assemblers. After moving on Linux, I found C is everywhere, beginning
from kernel. Again, around me Unix/Linux is a marginal stuff.
> 
> Even John Dotty seemed to agree that we need an alternative to scheme.
Yes, yes, I could even agree ;) But not two parallel versions with new
dependencies in one repository. How to support them? How to support
cross-compiling in this case? There is another way. Let's make bindings
for various languages since gobject model allows this. Let's introduce
plugins/modules, and we already have modules in scheme.

OTOH, the first program where I've seen and tried to use guile was gimp.
Look at it. They started from scheme and now support python and perl.
  http://wiki.gimp.org/wiki/Hacking:Plugins
No revolution, no destroying.  And that is the most successful
open-source project in this niche I know of.

> 
> > OK, I see the message. Get out, stupid ancient fools, your time is
> > out ;) The new generation is coming...
> 
> For quite a while there the message the developers were sending was...
> Stay away you newcomers, we know the user base wants this but they
> don't understand the tool as well as we do. The users are a collection
> of
Partially agreed, though it's only one part of the story. Another part
is, nobody wants to rewrite sloppy written/bug prone stuff. And some
new developers just excuse their fear/reluctance to make code more
accurate with the thesis that the major developers are cruel/arrogant
etc.

> 
> Igor2 started this fork because people were unwilling to accept his
> contributions. Looking back the same people drove me out too. Lets not
> start that again.
And because he prefers to stand apart from the community requiring the
majority to follow his preferences in order to collaborate.


Cheers,
  Vladimir

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