X-Authentication-Warning:	delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f
X-Recipient:	geda-user AT delorie DOT com
X-Original-DKIM-Signature:	v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
	d=gmail.com; s=20120113;
	h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references
	:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to
	:user-agent;
	bh=+uLVfJgcnbMebwPsY2Z2Hnca/KDDj0HEq27R2yzG4Rk=;
	b=QVdXbRoXjQzSkqYgksPkZ6e3PSN8exeASl9t/cxqJoCyCUwns+CvkHyN/PgcWZPZzY
	FVw9sAeeTsxgKvKA7CcKrtsMJsZ2l4nWWZYhMydzHPwBZfl8SvOlgWVxRqQSXebm7Obp
	IiQ9Bcr1PK9YPxzc17a4QZgF0q4sPJowxJch+d4pxIh1C408HyP8tCccJ+OjsLzgv1UU
	Ng7k6QyyEcgPQG3EIbZRndKRfQhHRo2l/xNOdrqorwT/Rxe79Zfq1DSpbeht++s3dFp4
	PuugX5huh8Z+xBWAOQIY55FmnuBh1u8G2VlnnxBEouHSKtODXpY2o+p/jeYbLGqQTKJA
	GrOA==
X-Received:	by 10.112.184.137 with SMTP id eu9mr11674552lbc.21.1441525933508;
	Sun, 06 Sep 2015 00:52:13 -0700 (PDT)
Date:	Sun, 6 Sep 2015 10:52:11 +0300
From:	"Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
To:	geda-user AT delorie DOT com
Subject:	Re: [geda-user] New experimental netlist features
Message-ID:	<20150906075211.GC2637@localhost.localdomain>
Mail-Followup-To:	geda-user AT delorie DOT com
References:	<55E97A3E DOT 2070402 AT jump-ing DOT de>
	<69B8B3F4-A6E4-43E9-9055-C63A5D6A3707 AT noqsi DOT com>
	<CAM2RGhT=aTYjyHWuxYFJXac8VhTOcB_piEGhq2dCNa61gAtFNw AT mail DOT gmail DOT com>
	<55E9BD63 DOT 8070407 AT jump-ing DOT de>
	<F6F6D986-713A-443E-B8FC-C6F7828C570D AT noqsi DOT com>
	<201509051930 DOT t85JUlTh019874 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com>
	<20150905210158 DOT GC7185 AT localhost DOT localdomain>
	<201509052107 DOT t85L7sHL024299 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com>
	<20150905213959 DOT GE7185 AT localhost DOT localdomain>
	<201509052353 DOT t85Nru1P030401 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com>
MIME-Version:	1.0
In-Reply-To:	<201509052353.t85Nru1P030401@envy.delorie.com>
User-Agent:	Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12)
Reply-To:	geda-user AT delorie DOT com
Errors-To:	nobody AT delorie DOT com
X-Mailing-List:	geda-user AT delorie DOT com
X-Unsubscribes-To:	listserv AT delorie DOT com

On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 07:53:56PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> 
> > Does this mean we should replace Guile with Python?
> 
> I wasn't talking about the technical innards of the tools.  I was
You've done this in another post, talking about stagnation.

> talking about how we present those tools to the users, how we run our
> community, about addressing the age-old problems that plague new
> users, etc.  Turning a heaping pile of disjoint functionality into
> something useful and easy to learn so that we're able to attract new
> users.
Yes, yes, yes.
All this requires someone will spend his/her time on this. Everytime I
read all these curses on Scheme, I understand many of the unhappies did
not ever tried to read the doc we have and to write any small code
fragment. And every time this happens I feel less and less motivation to
do something in this direction, though I've some useful things written
in scheme and they help me much while working in gschem.

> If a particular problem can only be solved by changing some innards,
> then so be it, but the innards change is just a side-effect.

I don't mind. Just let's do it step by step, saving all the fruit we
already have, not destroying anything in a favour of new tools.

Cheers,
  Vladimir

- Raw text -