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From: Martin DOT Stromberg AT lu DOT erisoft DOT se (Martin Stromberg)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.djgpp
Subject: Re: newbie
Date: 5 Aug 1999 09:06:26 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Erisoft AB, Sweden
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Neil Prestemon (Neil DOT Prestemon AT NSMG DOT Seagatesoftware DOT com) wrote:
: Hi,
: I recently studied the C language, and I was looking for a cheap/free(beer)
: solution to actually writing C programs, and eventually C++, for Windows (as
: opposed to spending hundreds of dollars on MSVC++ and assorted SDKs).  I've
: messed around with a few other potential situations, and it looks like DJGPP
: is really the only good one. 

: I checked readme.1st, and the FAQ, and I tried to check the mail list, but

Good. Look at the documentation.
: the server seems extremely taxed.

Yes it seems a little tired lately.

: I downloaded the files your zipfinder said to download, and I installed them
: as per the instructions, (on NT 4.0), using pkunzip.exe (all in the same
: directory, with "-d" to create subdirectories), and I got a buttload of

Good...
: filename collisions, and errors about being unable to create files.  Some of
: the collisions were on exe's (which tends to worry me a lot more than
: collisions on readme.1st revisions), and some of the create errors were on
: files with multiple extensions; "something.something.orig" IIRC.  I was
: concerned because when pkunzip hits a filename collision, it doesn't tell
: you about timestamps, so you can't even make an intelligent choice based on
: which is the latest, and the create errors, there's nothing you can do
: about, it just scrolls up off the screen.  So without spending the rest of
: the day trying to install this stuff, I just used Winzip, to at least avoid
: the create errors, and give me the timestamps for collisions so I could make
: a rational choice.  I have no idea whether the omission of these files, or
: substitution of the newer files in collision cases would cause harm to the
: installation or functionality.

Well, there might be some collision, but not that many, IIRC.

: So what I'm asking for, is basically, some guidance on how these collisions
: should have been handled - take the newer file, take the older file, did I
: get the wrong zipfiles?  etc.  And also on whether, if I unzip using
: pkunzip, do these file-create errors cause difficulty, or can they be
: ignored, and also, if I unzip using winzip, what exactly is going to go
: wrong (because of the long filenames) and is there a workaround (like
: changing some setting in a text file somewhere to force 8.3 alias use, or
: renaming certain files).  

I don't know.

: I'm discouraged that if I'm having this much trouble with simply installing
: the stuff, that maybe using it or even programming period is just beyond my
: mental capacity.  I mean, I've been gainfully employed in the computer
: industry for over 7 years, I just don't know why this stuff is so hard for
: me.   I just want to pick up some new skills and make myself less likely to
: get laid off when I'm 35, but I don't want to unload a whole lot of cash on
: MSVC++, but I don't live in a college dorm where I have hordes of Linux
: guru's sitting around waiting to help me with simple little problems like
: this. 

We'll sort out the problems.

: I've attached a directory listing of my installation, and the zipfiles I
: downloaded, I moved to a top-level directory called "zipsets".

Aaaargh! Hey, don't post MB sized messages, please. It can be some of the
reason the delorie.com server is under strain. 

While I understand that you want to give as complete information as
possible, to help us help you (which is good), dumping megesized files
in your posts does more harm than good.

Instead you should ask what infomation that is needed. In this case
your text explaining the problem was very helpful (good) but your
directory listing was not (bad), except for the list of which .ZIPs
you downloaded (good).

[Klippa, klapp, kluppit mega listing.]

:  Directory of  D:\apps\djgpp\zipsets\*

:  8/04/99  12:13         <DIR>    .=20
:  8/04/99  12:13         <DIR>    ..
:  8/04/99  11:09       1,460,605  alleg311.zip
:  8/04/99  11:27         347,920  bccgrx20.zip
:  8/04/99  11:09       1,896,445  bnu281b.zip
:  8/04/99  11:30       2,609,873  bnu281d.zip
Potentially unnecessary.
:  8/04/99  11:29       2,397,262  bnu281s.zip
Unnecessary.
:  8/03/99  17:04       1,423,123  djdev202.zip
:  8/04/99  11:28       1,445,230  djlsr202.zip
Unnecessary.
:  8/04/99  11:27         183,330  djtst202.zip
Unnecessary.
:  8/04/99  11:08       1,398,977  em1934b.zip
:  8/04/99  11:33       5,868,263  em1934d.zip
Potentially unnecessary.
:  8/04/99  11:08       1,432,584  em1934l1.zip
:  8/04/99  11:09       1,433,371  em1934l2.zip
:  8/04/99  11:09       1,369,704  em1934l3.zip
:  8/04/99  11:09       1,442,261  em1934r1.zip
:  8/04/99  11:09       1,445,786  em1934r2.zip
:  8/04/99  11:09       1,369,311  em1934r3.zip
:  8/03/99  17:00         563,209  faq211b.zip
:  8/04/99  11:27         265,594  faq211s.zip
Unnecessary.
:  8/04/99  11:31       2,810,999  gcc280d.zip
Potentially unnecessary. Wrong version. Use gcc281d.zip together with
gcc281b.zip. 
:  8/04/99  11:09       1,338,210  gcc281b.zip
:  8/04/99  11:32       6,904,536  gcc281s.zip
Unnecessary.
:  8/04/99  11:09       1,289,166  gpp281b.zip
:  8/04/99  11:27         564,306  grx23.zip
:  8/04/99  11:27         659,118  grx23fnt.zip
:  8/04/99  11:09         596,811  lgp2811b.zip
:  8/04/99  11:30       2,366,336  lgp2811s.zip
Unnecessary.
:  8/04/99  11:07         247,613  mak377b.zip
:  8/04/99  11:29         748,129  mak377d.zip
Potentially unnecessary.
:  8/04/99  11:28         744,312  mak377s.zip
Unnecessary.
:  8/04/99  11:09         699,025  objc281b.zip
:  8/03/99  17:06       1,716,944  rhide14b.zip
:  8/04/99  11:28       1,376,922  rhide14s.zip
Unnecessary.
:  8/04/99  11:29       3,048,872  rsxdj15.zip
:  8/04/99  11:09         511,216  txi312b.zip
:  8/04/99  11:29       1,003,883  txi312s.zip
Unnecessary.
:      54,979,246 bytes in 35 files and 2 dirs    55,037,952 bytes =
: allocated


Try to remove the ones I've indicated as unnessary and reunzip the
remaining ones and see if you get a lot of conflicts now.


Right,

							MartinS

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