From: Martin DOT Stromberg AT lu DOT erisoft DOT se (Martin Stromberg) Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.djgpp Subject: Re: newbie Date: 5 Aug 1999 09:06:26 GMT Organization: Ericsson Erisoft AB, Sweden Lines: 141 Message-ID: <7obk6i$2ba$1@antares.lu.erisoft.se> References: <912B571D21A0D211B63100009484697AA86DA7 AT sloxch04 DOT nsmg DOT seagatesoftware DOT com> NNTP-Posting-Host: propus-144.lu.erisoft.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com DJ-Gateway: from newsgroup comp.os.msdos.djgpp Reply-To: djgpp AT delorie DOT com Neil Prestemon (Neil DOT Prestemon AT NSMG DOT Seagatesoftware DOT com) wrote: : Hi, : I recently studied the C language, and I was looking for a cheap/free(beer) : solution to actually writing C programs, and eventually C++, for Windows (as : opposed to spending hundreds of dollars on MSVC++ and assorted SDKs). I've : messed around with a few other potential situations, and it looks like DJGPP : is really the only good one. : I checked readme.1st, and the FAQ, and I tried to check the mail list, but Good. Look at the documentation. : the server seems extremely taxed. Yes it seems a little tired lately. : I downloaded the files your zipfinder said to download, and I installed them : as per the instructions, (on NT 4.0), using pkunzip.exe (all in the same : directory, with "-d" to create subdirectories), and I got a buttload of Good... : filename collisions, and errors about being unable to create files. Some of : the collisions were on exe's (which tends to worry me a lot more than : collisions on readme.1st revisions), and some of the create errors were on : files with multiple extensions; "something.something.orig" IIRC. I was : concerned because when pkunzip hits a filename collision, it doesn't tell : you about timestamps, so you can't even make an intelligent choice based on : which is the latest, and the create errors, there's nothing you can do : about, it just scrolls up off the screen. So without spending the rest of : the day trying to install this stuff, I just used Winzip, to at least avoid : the create errors, and give me the timestamps for collisions so I could make : a rational choice. I have no idea whether the omission of these files, or : substitution of the newer files in collision cases would cause harm to the : installation or functionality. Well, there might be some collision, but not that many, IIRC. : So what I'm asking for, is basically, some guidance on how these collisions : should have been handled - take the newer file, take the older file, did I : get the wrong zipfiles? etc. And also on whether, if I unzip using : pkunzip, do these file-create errors cause difficulty, or can they be : ignored, and also, if I unzip using winzip, what exactly is going to go : wrong (because of the long filenames) and is there a workaround (like : changing some setting in a text file somewhere to force 8.3 alias use, or : renaming certain files). I don't know. : I'm discouraged that if I'm having this much trouble with simply installing : the stuff, that maybe using it or even programming period is just beyond my : mental capacity. I mean, I've been gainfully employed in the computer : industry for over 7 years, I just don't know why this stuff is so hard for : me. I just want to pick up some new skills and make myself less likely to : get laid off when I'm 35, but I don't want to unload a whole lot of cash on : MSVC++, but I don't live in a college dorm where I have hordes of Linux : guru's sitting around waiting to help me with simple little problems like : this. We'll sort out the problems. : I've attached a directory listing of my installation, and the zipfiles I : downloaded, I moved to a top-level directory called "zipsets". Aaaargh! Hey, don't post MB sized messages, please. It can be some of the reason the delorie.com server is under strain. While I understand that you want to give as complete information as possible, to help us help you (which is good), dumping megesized files in your posts does more harm than good. Instead you should ask what infomation that is needed. In this case your text explaining the problem was very helpful (good) but your directory listing was not (bad), except for the list of which .ZIPs you downloaded (good). [Klippa, klapp, kluppit mega listing.] : Directory of D:\apps\djgpp\zipsets\* : 8/04/99 12:13 .=20 : 8/04/99 12:13 .. : 8/04/99 11:09 1,460,605 alleg311.zip : 8/04/99 11:27 347,920 bccgrx20.zip : 8/04/99 11:09 1,896,445 bnu281b.zip : 8/04/99 11:30 2,609,873 bnu281d.zip Potentially unnecessary. : 8/04/99 11:29 2,397,262 bnu281s.zip Unnecessary. : 8/03/99 17:04 1,423,123 djdev202.zip : 8/04/99 11:28 1,445,230 djlsr202.zip Unnecessary. : 8/04/99 11:27 183,330 djtst202.zip Unnecessary. : 8/04/99 11:08 1,398,977 em1934b.zip : 8/04/99 11:33 5,868,263 em1934d.zip Potentially unnecessary. : 8/04/99 11:08 1,432,584 em1934l1.zip : 8/04/99 11:09 1,433,371 em1934l2.zip : 8/04/99 11:09 1,369,704 em1934l3.zip : 8/04/99 11:09 1,442,261 em1934r1.zip : 8/04/99 11:09 1,445,786 em1934r2.zip : 8/04/99 11:09 1,369,311 em1934r3.zip : 8/03/99 17:00 563,209 faq211b.zip : 8/04/99 11:27 265,594 faq211s.zip Unnecessary. : 8/04/99 11:31 2,810,999 gcc280d.zip Potentially unnecessary. Wrong version. Use gcc281d.zip together with gcc281b.zip. : 8/04/99 11:09 1,338,210 gcc281b.zip : 8/04/99 11:32 6,904,536 gcc281s.zip Unnecessary. : 8/04/99 11:09 1,289,166 gpp281b.zip : 8/04/99 11:27 564,306 grx23.zip : 8/04/99 11:27 659,118 grx23fnt.zip : 8/04/99 11:09 596,811 lgp2811b.zip : 8/04/99 11:30 2,366,336 lgp2811s.zip Unnecessary. : 8/04/99 11:07 247,613 mak377b.zip : 8/04/99 11:29 748,129 mak377d.zip Potentially unnecessary. : 8/04/99 11:28 744,312 mak377s.zip Unnecessary. : 8/04/99 11:09 699,025 objc281b.zip : 8/03/99 17:06 1,716,944 rhide14b.zip : 8/04/99 11:28 1,376,922 rhide14s.zip Unnecessary. : 8/04/99 11:29 3,048,872 rsxdj15.zip : 8/04/99 11:09 511,216 txi312b.zip : 8/04/99 11:29 1,003,883 txi312s.zip Unnecessary. : 54,979,246 bytes in 35 files and 2 dirs 55,037,952 bytes = : allocated Try to remove the ones I've indicated as unnessary and reunzip the remaining ones and see if you get a lot of conflicts now. Right, MartinS