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Hi Chad,
(Moving to geda-user as this is not directly answering the OP question)
The later 3D stuff will help when it lands. There is a more physical view
mode where turning off individual layers also hides any features on that
layer such as pads etc..
Otoh... the fact OP is having issues makes me wonder if they have GL
enabled or not. Transparency helps.
Peter
Peter
On 19 Feb 2017 19:19, "Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
It took me a sec, but I figured out what he means. He's turning off the
pins/pads so that they're not in the way while he's routing on inner
layers.
The problem is that when you turn off the pins/pads, it turns them off for
all layers. On the inner layers a plated thru-hole will (often) have a
circuilar pad around it, not to mention that there is actually a hole
through the board. With pins/pads off, there is no indication of this this
at all and you can route a trace straight through a through-hole with out
realizing it (or on the top or bottom layer too, actually).
Hence the feature's he's asking for. If you could turn off surface mount
pads without turning off pins, then this wouldn't be a problem. Or, if we
had an "online-DRC" that would prevent you from drawing things that
violated design rules, it would also prevent you from doing this.
The quickest fix for this, I think, is to change things slightly so that
pins and vias are grouped together for visibility and pads are their own
separate "layer". The right way to do this probably involves reworking the
layer system, but this is a pretty quick hack that should work for now.
I opened a bug report on LaunchPad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/
pcb/+bug/1666052
--Chad
On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 3:25 AM, Smilie (smilie AT posteo DOT de) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> I think, PCB need some additional features:
>
>
> 1. split PIN/PAD Layer in two Buttons PIN and PAD.
> 2. make it possible, that the "auto enforce DRC clearance" works also
> while moving lines.
>
> 3. the algorithm for "auto enforce DRC clearance" could be modified,
> that the line will be lay around the barrier?
>
>
>
>
> Am Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:28:44 +0000
> schrieb "Peter Clifton (petercjclifton AT googlemail DOT com) [via
> geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com>:
>
> > I think I'll have to try that to understand properly; but if you mean
> > - you accidentally shorted against pins which you had switched off
> > visibility for... Not sure how to avoid that fully.
> >
> > Perhaps need to separate the view controls a little more. In my later
> > 3D stuff (available on repo.or.cz), in 3D view turning off any layer
> > also hides things like copper pads on that layer.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > On 15 Feb 2017 15:19, "Smilie (smilie AT posteo DOT de) [via
> > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> >
> > > Am Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:48:02 +0000
> > > schrieb "Peter Clifton (petercjclifton AT googlemail DOT com) [via
> > > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com>:
> > >
> > > > Any chance you can post a screenshot of what you describe?
> > > >
> > > > (Imagebin.ca or similar if the files are big?)
> > > >
> > > > On 15 Feb 2017 10:45, "Smilie (smilie AT posteo DOT de) [via
> > > > geda-help AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello guys,
> > > > >
> > > > > if i have an Jumper connected through all layers.
> > > > > But if i disable the view of all layers, apart from a inner
> > > > > signal-layer, the contacts of the connected through is not
> > > > > visible. This is in my opinion a bug.
> > > > > Or what is this feature for?
> > > > >
> > > > > lg
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, i see the Failure, but i will explain the situation.
> > >
> > >
> > > Step by step:
> > >
> > > 1. create a new pcb.
> > >
> > > 2. Load a Jumper1 and place it to the board.
> > >
> > > 3. Take also some SMD-footprints an place it free over the board.
> > >
> > > Now you wont draw a line in a (signal) middle layer, but the
> > > SMD-Footprints are worry. Because this you make some layers
> > > invisible.
> > >
> > > 4. Now you make the pins/pads invisible. Or what?
> > >
> > > But, you can not free draw the middle layer, because you have
> > > collisions with footprints like Jumper1.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hi Chad,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">(Mo=
ving to geda-user as this is not directly answering the OP question)<br><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The later 3D stuff will help whe=
n it lands. There is a more physical view mode where turning off individual=
layers also hides any features on that layer such as pads etc..</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Otoh... the fact OP is having issu=
es makes me wonder if they have GL enabled or not. Transparency helps.</div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Peter</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Peter</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 19 Feb 20=
17 19:19, "Chad Parker (<a href=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com">pa=
rker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com">g=
eda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]" <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com=
">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote =
class=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>It took me a sec, but I figure=
d out what he means.=C2=A0He's turning off the pins/pads so that they&#=
39;re not in the way while he's routing on inner layers. <br><br>The
problem is that when you turn off the pins/pads, it turns them off for=20
all layers. On the inner layers a plated thru-hole will (often) have a=20
circuilar pad around it, not to mention that there is actually a hole=20
through the board. With pins/pads off, there is no indication of this=20
this at all and you can route a trace straight through a through-hole=20
with out realizing it (or on the top or bottom layer too, actually).<br><br=
></div>Hence the feature's he's asking for. If you could turn off s=
urface mount pads without turning off pins, then this wouldn't be a pro=
blem. Or, if we had an "online-DRC" that would prevent you from d=
rawing things that violated design rules, it would also prevent you from do=
ing this.<br><br></div>The quickest fix for this, I think, is to change thi=
ngs slightly so that pins and vias are grouped together for visibility and =
pads are their own separate "layer". The right way to do this pro=
bably involves reworking the layer system, but this is a pretty quick hack =
that should work for now. <br><br></div><div>I opened a bug report on Launc=
hPad: <a href=3D"https://bugs.launchpad.net/pcb/+bug/1666052" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/<wbr>pcb/+bug/1666052</a><br></div><br>--Ch=
ad<br></div><div class=3D"elided-text"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 3:25 AM, Smilie (<a href=3D"m=
ailto:smilie AT posteo DOT de" target=3D"_blank">smilie AT posteo DOT de</a>) [via <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com<=
/a>] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=
=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">I think, PCB need some additional features:<br>
<br>
<br>
1. split PIN/PAD Layer in two Buttons PIN and PAD.<br>
2. make it possible, that the "auto enforce DRC clearance" works =
also<br>
while moving lines.<br>
<br>
3. the algorithm for "auto enforce DRC clearance" could be modifi=
ed,<br>
that the line will be lay around the barrier?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Am Wed, 15 Feb 2017 15:28:44 +0000<br>
<div class=3D"m_602141869714698789HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_60214186971469878=
9h5">schrieb "Peter Clifton (<a href=3D"mailto:petercjclifton AT googlema=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">petercjclifton AT googlemail DOT com</a><wbr>) [via<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delori=
e.com</a>]" <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>>:<br>
<br>
> I think I'll have to try that to understand properly; but if you m=
ean<br>
> - you accidentally shorted against pins which you had switched off<br>
> visibility for... Not sure how to avoid that fully.<br>
><br>
> Perhaps need to separate the view controls a little more. In my later<=
br>
> 3D stuff (available on <a href=3D"http://repo.or.cz" rel=3D"noreferrer=
" target=3D"_blank">repo.or.cz</a>), in 3D view turning off any layer<br>
> also hides things like copper pads on that layer.<br>
><br>
> Peter<br>
><br>
> Peter<br>
><br>
> On 15 Feb 2017 15:19, "Smilie (<a href=3D"mailto:smilie AT posteo DOT de=
" target=3D"_blank">smilie AT posteo DOT de</a>) [via<br>
> <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT d=
elorie.com</a>]" <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=
=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Am Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:48:02 +0000<br>
> > schrieb "Peter Clifton (<a href=3D"mailto:petercjclifton AT goo=
glemail.com" target=3D"_blank">petercjclifton AT googlemail DOT com</a><wbr>) [via=
<br>
> > <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-h=
elp AT delorie DOT com</a>]" <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>>:<br>
> ><br>
> > >=C2=A0 Any chance you can post a screenshot of what you descr=
ibe?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > (Imagebin.ca or similar if the files are big?)<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On 15 Feb 2017 10:45, "Smilie (<a href=3D"mailto:smilie=
@posteo.de" target=3D"_blank">smilie AT posteo DOT de</a>) [via<br>
> > > <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">g=
eda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]" <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com=
" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > > Hello guys,<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > if i have an Jumper connected through all layers.<br>
> > > > But if i disable the view of all layers, apart from a i=
nner<br>
> > > > signal-layer, the contacts of the connected through is =
not<br>
> > > > visible. This is in my opinion a bug.<br>
> > > > Or what is this feature for?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > lg<br>
> > > ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > OK, i see the Failure, but i will explain the situation.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Step by step:<br>
> ><br>
> > 1. create a new pcb.<br>
> ><br>
> > 2. Load a Jumper1 and place it to the board.<br>
> ><br>
> > 3. Take also some SMD-footprints an place it free over the board.=
<br>
> ><br>
> > Now you wont draw a line in a (signal) middle layer, but the<br>
> > SMD-Footprints are worry. Because this you make some layers<br>
> > invisible.<br>
> ><br>
> > 4. Now you make the pins/pads invisible. Or what?<br>
> ><br>
> > But, you can not free draw the middle layer, because you have<br>
> > collisions with footprints like Jumper1.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
<br>
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