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James Battat (jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> I’m specifically asking about what one loses when using KiCad instead 
> of the gschem/pcb workflow.
> Thanks for the pointer to Osmond though.
>
> James
>
> On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:41 AM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com 
> <mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com>> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2016, at 8:16 AM, James Battat (jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu 
>> <mailto:jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu>) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com 
>> <mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com>] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com 
>> <mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com>> wrote:
>>
>>> It makes me wonder how long gschem/pcb will endure.
>>
>> You’re asking the wrong question. Gschem does not lock you into pcb. 
>> If you’re making printed circuit boards, I recommend a gschem->Osmond 
>> PCB flow. I’ve exported gschem designs to many layout people, and the 
>> one who uses Osmond is by far the fastest and produces the best work. 
>> The others spend way more time, and sniff that Osmond is a tool for 
>> hobbyists, too simple for a true professional. Go figure.
>>
>> John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
>> http://www.noqsi.com/
>> jpd AT noqsi DOT com
>>
>>
>
Hi James,

While I was typing the former email ...

I don't use KiCad, nor Eagle, nor other monolithic applications, so I 
don't know what one "loses".

You probably "gain" a "push-and-shove router" in KiCad, so I was told at 
FOSDEM-2015 (1) and FOSDEM-2016 (2).

And recently integration with ngspice was announced ... YMMV

Kind regards,

Bert Timmerman.

(1)

http://video.fosdem.org/2015/devroom-electronic_design_automation/kicad.mp4

http://video.fosdem.org/2015/devroom-electronic_design_automation/pcb_routing.mp4

(2)

http://video.fosdem.org/2016/aw1121/kicad-project-status.mp4

http://video.fosdem.org/2016/aw1121/designing-with-kicad-of-oshw-64-bit-arm-board.mp4

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