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Subject:	Re: [geda-user] Re: gschem annoyances
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I think the point is correct.... More developers are needed to port gschem
to GTK3. I might guess that GTK2 has another 5-10 years of being readily
available though... so I'm not swayed heavily by the argument that we
imminently need to do it. (Just start thinking about it perhaps).

Porting to GTK3 won't be trivial, since we use fields which have since been
hidden away inside gtk, for things like custom menus which display our
multi-key shortcuts (gtk doesn't have a concept of these). When gtk 3 first
came out, I looked into this... and it would have at the time required
duplicating almost all of their internal menu and action code to retain
similar functionality.

Porting code for most areas should be a mostly mechanical job, but really,
we also need to be identifying areas where gtk3.0 cannot do what we need,
want, or used to do, then addressing this upstream by working with gtk
developers and submitting patches there.

Given the adoption time of new gtk versions, anything we need like this
becomes a long term project - as ideally we wait for the feature enhanced
gtk3.0 to become common in distros before relying on it!
On 12 May 2016 01:02, "John Doty" <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:

>
> On May 11, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Edward Hennessy (ehennes AT sbcglobal DOT net)
> [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
> > The main problem is the shortage of developers.
>
> The addition of a misfeature causes trouble, and you conclude that means
> we need *more* developers?
>
> John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
> http://www.noqsi.com/
> jpd AT noqsi DOT com
>
>
>

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<p dir=3D"ltr">I think the point is correct.... More developers are needed =
to port gschem to GTK3. I might guess that GTK2 has another 5-10 years of b=
eing readily available though... so I&#39;m not swayed heavily by the argum=
ent that we imminently need to do it. (Just start thinking about it perhaps=
).</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Porting to GTK3 won&#39;t be trivial, since we use fields wh=
ich have since been hidden away inside gtk, for things like custom menus wh=
ich display our multi-key shortcuts (gtk doesn&#39;t have a concept of thes=
e). When gtk 3 first came out, I looked into this... and it would have at t=
he time required duplicating almost all of their internal menu and action c=
ode to retain similar functionality.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Porting code for most areas should be a mostly mechanical jo=
b, but really, we also need to be identifying areas where gtk3.0 cannot do =
what we need, want, or used to do, then addressing this upstream by working=
 with gtk developers and submitting patches there.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Given the adoption time of new gtk versions, anything we nee=
d like this becomes a long term project - as ideally we wait for the featur=
e enhanced gtk3.0 to become common in distros before relying on it!</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 12 May 2016 01:02, &quot;John Doty&quot; &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"at=
tribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
On May 11, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Edward Hennessy (<a href=3D"mailto:ehennes AT sb=
cglobal.net">ehennes AT sbcglobal DOT net</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT de=
lorie.com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delor=
ie.com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; The main problem is the shortage of developers.<br>
<br>
The addition of a misfeature causes trouble, and you conclude that means we=
 need *more* developers?<br>
<br>
John Doty=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Noqsi Aerospace, =
Ltd.<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.noqsi.com/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http=
://www.noqsi.com/</a><br>
<a href=3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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