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On Thursday 14 April 2016 22:13:34 Larry Doolittle wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 09:01:41PM -0400, Gene Heskett 
(gheskett AT shentel DOT net) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> > On Thursday 14 April 2016 20:38:20 Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> > > Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > The keyword in the free software arena is "employ".
> > >
> > > Apparently, kicad is one of these projects. Cite from the projects
> > > web page:
> > > ---------------------------8<-------------
> > > CERN
> > > Employer of Javier Serrano, Maciej Suminski and Tomasz Wlostowski
> > > who all work heavily on KiCad.
> > > --------------------------->8-------------
> >
> > That speaks well to the prospects of its being around in the future
> > & bit rot serviced as needed.
>
> I know all of those people, and the project's web page has added
> more than a little spin to the in-the-trenches reality.  Do _not_
> consider any of those people anything close to full-time KiCad
> developers. Supporters and contributors, sure.
>
Thanks for sharing that.  The end result of course is that improvements 
and bugfixes get done on CERN's schedule and needs.

But I would then comment that the real progress is made by the coder who 
does have both the time, and the inclination to fix what he sees as 
design errors by getting his head into that code on a byte for byte 
basis.  That, back when I did some of that, always took me a couple 
weeks of absorbing a disassembly, trying to get my head into the same 
frame of mind the coder who wrote it was in at the time.

If he is just fixing bit rot brought on by changing dependencies, thats 
all that will be done because that clarity of vision just won't happen. 
That of course was in 8 bit days. Me, looking at a dis for one of todays 
64 bit cpu's, will recoil in terror as it might as well be written in 
Swahili.  Unfortunate for me of course but thats the reality of the age 
on the wet ram too.

> That said, CERN has resources and has made institutional commitments
> to support both KiCad and iverilog, as part of their larger efforts
> promoting Open Hardware; ohwr.org was started by CERN.  A lot of this
> has been driven by Javier Serrano, and I greatly respect him for that.

An interesting web page. But it also points out that wheezy doesn't have 
anything but a 4 year old version built in 2012.  Thats discouraging.

>
>   - Larry


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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