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On Feb 28, 2016, at 7:07 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak <kmk AT familieknaak DOT de> =
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> John Doty wrote:
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>>> as well since it will help gschem stay viable long-term,
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>> Gschem has no such problem.
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> CERN chose kicad rather than gschem for their open hardware
> initiative. Same with a number of high profile open hardware projects.
> See http://kicad-pcb.org/made-with-kicad/ for some examples.
And more people choose Word than LaTeX. That doesn=92t mean that LaTeX =
isn=92t a better choice for those of us who use it, or that it should be =
more like Word (at your suggestion, I tried Lyx. Ugh. Inflexible and =
difficult. Combines the disadvantages of both approaches).
Eleven days ago, JAXA launched Hitomi (ASTRO-H) with ASICs designed with =
geda-gaf and ngspice on board. Quietest CCD measurement chains ever put =
into space.
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> Please don't delude yourself int the perception everything is working
> alright, when it clearly isn=92t.
Clearly not. But there=92s a profound difference between what pcb users =
want and what geda-gaf provides. Geda-gaf's application space is far =
broader, but pcb users want something more targeted. Of course, geda-gaf =
is pretty simple and flexible, and we who script it can aim it at =
whatever target we wish. But there's a big faction here who don=92t want =
to do that: they conceive of something as hard-wired, complicated, and =
inflexible as pcb (but perhaps easier to use for *their* application).
It=92s also true that much of geda-gaf=92s intelligence is actually in =
your symbol library, so assembling a good symbol library for a =
particular purpose is a large part of the challenge. But as you know, =
this is also fraught with difficulty, because even the pcb application =
space isn=92t a coherent, monolithic thing.
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>> It has been stable and productive for
>> well over a decade.
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> Just like pcb. Only that in this case it is decades.
Except that if you watch this list, the most common topic is problems =
with pcb. A significant subset is problems with pcb that people expect =
geda-gaf to work around on its side of the interface. Geda-gaf is much =
healthier, and much more capable, with a far wider application space. I =
want to keep it that way. I don=92t know what the next application might =
be. I never thought I=92d do ASIC design until Osaka U. asked me to try.
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>>> since pcb does have most of the users
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>> A common assertion without any data to back it up.
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> Do you remember the poll I did a while ago? The results were non-
> ambiguous.
No, they were on a pcb-dominated forum. Not an unbiased sample.
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>> Pcb users don=92t generally seem to want something like gschem.
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> Can we get past this kindergarten style of conversation, please?
Can we appreciate that pcb-centric users and geda-gaf-centric users have =
different interests? Can we appreciate that a clean, simple interface is =
in both sides interests?
John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
http://www.noqsi.com/
jpd AT noqsi DOT com
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