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On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 4:14 AM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:20 PM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You don’t have to make unwelcome changes to extend the toolkit. That’s an advantage of a toolkit. Use it.
>>>>
>>>> Unwelcome wagon?
>>>
>>> New construction is welcome. Dynamiting a foundation to make an opening because you don’t want to use the door is not.
>>
>> Why do you always assume anyone else's additions are going to be the
>> equivalent to destroying everything that already exists?
>
> Because I’ve been burned.

Which is my point. At some point you have to trust that people would
not just break things and leave you high and dry.

>> Why do you
>> assume that if they are so disastrous no one will simply yank them
>> from the repo?
>
> Because problems have made it to release and corrupted schematics or netlists before anybody noticed. Yanking things from the repo does not recall them from the field.

Well clearly we need automated testing. I believe we have talked about
that before.

>> Why do you assume people will just push code that
>> breaks stuff?
>
> I assume that they have the best of intentions. I am concerned that many who want change seem to have a poor understanding of what already exists. Certainly if you haven’t mastered Scheme, you have no business changing the existing geda-gaf core. But new tools are welcome.

That is a nice arbitrary road block you are throwing up there. I don't
know we have more than 3 people right now who could be said to be
truly proficient in scheme. Given how endangered Scheme programmers
are in the wild I think you are dooming the code to bitrot.

PS: I know more MUMPS programmers than Scheme programmers and I work
in an MIT affiliated institution (where they used to require scheme).

>>
>> I respect your opinions on the architecture of geda but we both see
>> drawbacks to it as it is now. You said yourself there are things that
>> are clunky. Why do you assume those things will not be fixed?
>
> I hope they’ll be fixed by the next generation of tools, not by doing drastic things to the working tools we have now.

Your views on the rest of us have gotten so extreme that everyone else
looks extreme to you. Doesn't that worry you a little?

I am not trying to pick on you here. I have really tried to understand
what you have to say and respect your ideas. I just can't find a way
to make your input constructive any more. I don't feel good about
that.

> John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
> http://www.noqsi.com/
> jpd AT noqsi DOT com
>
>



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