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On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

>
>
> slots:
> The slotting mechanism is fundamentally worthless for a the majority
> of cases were I would want to use it. Look at the 7400 symbols were
> they have a whole extra symbol for the power pins. That is
> conceptually IMHO something that should be a slot but you can't do
> that because all symbols have to have the same number of pins and
> geometry.
>
> In places were slotting could be cool we don't use it right in the
> standard symbol library. Take the symbols for the larger xilinx chips.
> I would rather each section of the chips I/O be it's own slot so I can
> show the FPGA connections near what they are connected too instead of
> putting the FPGA on it's own page (most of the time). Likewise
> breaking it up into more symbols would mean not wasting most of a page
> on the empty area inside the FPGA symbol.
>
>
>
I'm having a little trouble understanding what your definition of "slots"
is.  I think the current gschem concept of a slot is what I am used to,
i.e. a slot is an interchangeable element of a chip.  So a 7400 has 4 nand
slots, and they are identical.  As far as I am concerned, slots are only a
tool for back annotation.  During schematic capture, you can assign the
gates from a chip in any order, then when laying out the PCB, you can
choose which slot routes the best, and swap them around, and then back
annotate.


Bill

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Evan Foss (<a href=3D"mailto:evanfoss=
@gmail.com">evanfoss AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delori=
e.com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g=
eda-user AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
slots:<br>
The slotting mechanism is fundamentally worthless for a the majority<br>
of cases were I would want to use it. Look at the 7400 symbols were<br>
they have a whole extra symbol for the power pins. That is<br>
conceptually IMHO something that should be a slot but you can&#39;t do<br>
that because all symbols have to have the same number of pins and<br>
geometry.<br>
<br>
In places were slotting could be cool we don&#39;t use it right in the<br>
standard symbol library. Take the symbols for the larger xilinx chips.<br>
I would rather each section of the chips I/O be it&#39;s own slot so I can<=
br>
show the FPGA connections near what they are connected too instead of<br>
putting the FPGA on it&#39;s own page (most of the time). Likewise<br>
breaking it up into more symbols would mean not wasting most of a page<br>
on the empty area inside the FPGA symbol.<br>
<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m having a little trouble un=
derstanding what your definition of &quot;slots&quot; is.=C2=A0 I think the=
 current gschem concept of a slot is what I am used to, i.e. a slot is an i=
nterchangeable element of a chip.=C2=A0 So a 7400 has 4 nand slots, and the=
y are identical.=C2=A0 As far as I am concerned, slots are only a tool for =
back annotation.=C2=A0 During schematic capture, you can assign the gates f=
rom a chip in any order, then when laying out the PCB, you can choose which=
 slot routes the best, and swap them around, and then back annotate. =C2=A0=
 <br><br></div><div><br></div><div>Bill <br></div></div></div></div>

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