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On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 3:17 AM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 22, 2015, at 7:46 PM, Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 5:25 PM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via
>> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>
>> As for refusing code because it doesn't fit the vision, gEDA isn't in a
>> good position to do this.
>>
>> Geda-gaf is in an excellent position to do this. It’s mature, effective,
>> and flexible. It could be better, but making it better requires discipline
>> more than lines of code. It’s *hard* to make good code better: it’s much
>> easier to make it worse.
>
>
> But they aren't modifying it with the intention of making it worse,
>
>
> The universe does not care about intentions.

Nor do you speak for it.

> and on the average there's no real reason to assume the "leader" is going to
> be a better judge than the contributor, especially on the issue the
> contributor is trying to address.  All FOSS works essentially on this
> principle.  If you don't like it perhaps FOSS isn't for you.
>
>
> There are some very stable FOSS products. Python 3 developers are unhappy
> that Python 2.7 is defacto the eternal version. That’s their problem.

That is totally true IMHO and one of the things driving me nuts right
now. Gentoo has users build packages from source via this automated
system but they changed the way it works to accommodate the constant
churn of python and it could be better. We really do want to avoid
this.

More troublesome to me was my past cad experience with a program that
changed file formats every revision for no darn reason.

> One of the reasons that gEDA was so attractive to an old Viewlogic user like
> me was its stability. In Viewlogic, there was constant feature churn,
> together with a constant addition of novel bugs. The sales department always
> wants NEW! But we don’t have a sales department, so we don’t have to change
> things that don’t need changing.

John, please before you tell this story again ask yourself if the
people who have already commented on the thread have not already read
it in the last 6 months.

>>   It makes devels quit and there aren't that many to begin with.
>>
>> On the other hand, pcb suffers from a lack of discipline. I find it an
>> unusable conceptual tangle. The problem is not a lack of developers, but the
>> lack of a vision. To the user, it’s just a random grab bag of features.
>
>
> But because you don't use it, nobody takes your opinions about it seriously.
>
>
> You don’t. I know that some others do. If you want to attract more users, it
> might make sense to pay attention to the reasons that people don’t use it.

I believe people don't use geda because right now the project looks
like a bunch of children more interested in lobbing sand at each
others eyes than building a castle. I have seen comments to this
effect in a few forums.

> John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
>
> http://www.noqsi.com/
>
> jpd AT noqsi DOT com
>
>
>



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