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From: John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com>
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:25:36 -0700
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On Dec 22, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) =
[via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

> As for refusing code because it doesn't fit the vision, gEDA isn't in =
a good position to do this.

Geda-gaf is in an excellent position to do this. It=92s mature, =
effective, and flexible. It could be better, but making it better =
requires discipline more than lines of code. It=92s *hard* to make good =
code better: it=92s much easier to make it worse.

>   It makes devels quit and there aren't that many to begin with.

On the other hand, pcb suffers from a lack of discipline. I find it an =
unusable conceptual tangle. The problem is not a lack of developers, but =
the lack of a vision. To the user, it=92s just a random grab bag of =
features.

John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
http://www.noqsi.com/
jpd AT noqsi DOT com



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after-white-space;"><br><div><div>On Dec 22, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Britton =
Kerin (<a =
href=3D"mailto:britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com">britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com</a>) =
[via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
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start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;">As for refusing code because it =
doesn't fit the vision, gEDA isn't in a good position to do =
this.</span></blockquote><div><br></div>Geda-gaf is in an excellent =
position to do this. It=92s mature, effective, and flexible. It could be =
better, but making it better requires discipline more than lines of =
code. It=92s *hard* to make good code better: it=92s much easier to make =
it worse.</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
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0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;">&nbsp; It makes devels quit and there aren't that many to =
begin with.</span></blockquote><br></div><div>On the other hand, pcb =
suffers from a lack of discipline. I find it an unusable conceptual =
tangle. The problem is not a lack of developers, but the lack of a =
vision. To the user, it=92s just a random grab bag of =
features.</div><br><div apple-content-edited=3D"true">
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class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-tab">&nbsp; &nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span>Noqsi =
Aerospace, Ltd.</font></p><p style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px =
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