X-Authentication-Warning:	delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f
X-Recipient:	geda-user AT delorie DOT com
X-Original-DKIM-Signature:	v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
	d=googlemail.com; s=20120113;
	h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to
	:content-type;
	bh=PuaPcKyjCudewkah6KXwhU/7JJ+MS4io1FFk6B0g2rc=;
	b=tjAGrtq9tTuiVEfDnkvkW5TTfKo9W+G5F6AJjvOdMo8uItl3P9hKWnAl3+AWQQGVg8
	3GN13QH6nr9YWMcNS93NvfgM8vI/ckcy9fZot4X2O6xKOTtAwbs4siFkEmK7c6zHEB9V
	6LYwooIQQMKmScWM/1BXj65LHEGUldCFpmYQcyvCUFZKiMtMrX0g9wpXKGsm9oLNBK4s
	Bsedn0eDx+bb200pcnPHVcvCoqJOe1iW+JZHSWUuF55mXnlFENhLbP72DKS73/DBxvu8
	sC9LxZezciXnXQ//RHZ9PLpbUooxV0IbEolRsbb7Zqf1n6Fp5TbjYKDaaujqpuoTFpl1
	3GCg==
MIME-Version:	1.0
X-Received:	by 10.60.233.132 with SMTP id tw4mr6577388oec.35.1450819229425;
	Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:20:29 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To:	<CAC4O8c9NWpEb9fhxj1ohdSTCFnDsm=x+fZMVyV4VRxQ_whS6xg@mail.gmail.com>
References:	<CAOFvGD6OiYxcGkOiQRVnvXW3TLs42bt7PE5Ot9s09hsukYicKA AT mail DOT gmail DOT com>
	<20151221030451 DOT 02399163eb3e40f21c622c41 AT gmail DOT com>
	<CAOP4iL1PTdeCZdT+SthHwQtaxC4x06MbBQmxRcK3DZyQ-jfw=Q AT mail DOT gmail DOT com>
	<20151221203331 DOT 20837 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se>
	<CAJXU7q_XOJStJXhD547xW-+XROkBhctmMAWB-jm0cez5UvgZ7w AT mail DOT gmail DOT com>
	<CAOP4iL1ri4UMeYr01Af-AH005DkLboKO72nGao+ByGmqA51W-A AT mail DOT gmail DOT com>
	<20151222002012 DOT a88d7fe32a9336855eccd1d0 AT gmail DOT com>
	<CAJXU7q9dU=z5KZmgsh+Vau4zZNfEh4Awr5xdzL=6xhimLYVNLw AT mail DOT gmail DOT com>
	<alpine DOT DEB DOT 2 DOT 00 DOT 1512220421160 DOT 9035 AT igor2priv>
	<201512220412 DOT tBM4CJxb018546 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com>
	<alpine DOT DEB DOT 2 DOT 00 DOT 1512220528100 DOT 9035 AT igor2priv>
	<CAJXU7q89cBkSZZfaS5p2CSDeJRTGCzNs+bNBjL8_KYQ=o7gi=Q AT mail DOT gmail DOT com>
	<CAC4O8c9NWpEb9fhxj1ohdSTCFnDsm=x+fZMVyV4VRxQ_whS6xg AT mail DOT gmail DOT com>
Date:	Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:20:29 +0000
Message-ID:	<CAJXU7q-VfHATUKpJ6EQ+YMvCsvkCyvv1YkktPqhyy81+cD1p_g@mail.gmail.com>
Subject:	Re: [geda-user] Proposing a New Hierarchical Data Structure?
From:	"Peter Clifton (petercjclifton AT googlemail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
To:	gEDA User Mailing List <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
Reply-To:	geda-user AT delorie DOT com
Errors-To:	nobody AT delorie DOT com
X-Mailing-List:	geda-user AT delorie DOT com
X-Unsubscribes-To:	listserv AT delorie DOT com

On 22 December 2015 at 19:36, Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com)
[via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>> Personally, I doubt we can change the situation... the ISO is big and
>> ugly, and we are _tiny_.
>
>
> What I don't quite get is why, once they're already down to a price that is
> as you point out really pretty damn cheap for what it is and probably
> nowhere near covering real costs, they can't make the jump to free.  I
> suspect its a situation like with AutoCAD where there are noisy voices out
> there who don't really want it that available.

I have asked "the guy" (one of them anyway) behind AP210, just that
question... does he know how much the ISO takes on access to the STEP
standard at this price.. and does he think they would even consider
negotiating a one-time fee to make it freely available. (Got to be a
price, right?)

Would making it more available (as a means to out-compete a new
standard I hear rumors of being started) - be considered?

Would some kind of access deal for open-source developers or
non-profit making individuals in general be considered? (I assume no,
since everyone is an individual outside of work time - right?)


To my knowledge the Ada reference manual is VERY unique in its freely
available status, despite being an ISO standard. This came about due
to its origins within the US government.

Its a shame this didn't apply to STEP, despite having a HUGE amount of
input from the guys at NIST, NASA etc..

Peter

- Raw text -