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On Mon, 5 Oct 2015, Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:

> On 10/05/2015 11:28 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>> Considering these, the best we can do is to ask the list as I did and
>>>> then believe the results, whatever they are. What you do, telling us
>>>> what the user base don't care about, is mere speculation - you don't
>>>> have more access to the real opinion of the actual user base than any of
>>>> us. You can share your own opinion and assume the user base has the same
>>>> opinion. This is not better than a poll in any way.
>>>
>>>   Well, considering the fact that I use gEDA and PCB nearly every day,
>>> *I* am the user base.  And to watch the traffic around here, I'm the
>>> only guy busy actually USING this stuff!
>>
>> Ahem... look at the links in my signature. I use gEDA every day for work.
>
>  Excellent.  [tips hat to you]
>
>>>   This project has gyrated into inaction, and this recent ****storm of
>>> traffic hasn't improved anything.  There have been childish turf wars,
>>> YET MORE forks, whining babies who can't seem to wrap their little
>>> brains around what has to be one of the simplest programming languages
>>> ever developed, and whining grownups who insist that nothing should ever
>>> change, for any reason, until the end of time.  And yet more
>>> inexplicable blather about Windows support!
>>
>> And your vitriol will help how?
>
>  Hopefully it will wake people up and make them realize that they're
> doing silly things.
>
>>>   SO yes, I'll speculate, I'll be a user, and I'll give you feedback AS
>>> a user.  But you've just proven that you're not interested in that
>>> feedback, surprisingly enough.  So I guess I'll just sit back and watch
>>> as people argue and create forks.
>>
>> The people who argue are doing exactly as you are right now. The
>> people who fork are just fed up with arguing and doing what they think
>> is needed. When I ask myself which of those groups is doing the
>> positive thing for the project the answer is the people forking
>> because they are at least writing code.
>
>  I could sit here all day long and write new code to calculate pi to a
> gazillion digits.  At least I'm writing code, right?  But it doesn't
> help gEDA/PCB in any way.
>
>  Just like all those forks.

False.

What actually happens in forks: you sit there and code something that 
you or other users (according to their feedback) actually need.

The problem with your reasoning is that you say if something is not 
directly useful for you, other people should not work on it for 
themselves or for others. Or if they do, that "doesn't help gEDA/PCB in 
any way" or is a "waste".

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