Mail Archives: geda-user/2015/10/05/22:46:13
On Mon, 5 Oct 2015, Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> On 10/05/2015 10:03 PM, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
>> I recommend the same process to happen for pcb and gschem. If there's
>> literally noone who has the time and will to sit down and code push &
>> shove, it just won't happen, no matter how formally you vote. On the
>> other hand if you ignore what the user base wants, you end up with dead
>> ends like guile/scheme in gschem.
>
> *sigh*
>
> There are, shall we say, "interesting" perceptions of what the user
> base wants on this list. Interesting bordering on the creative, in fact.
>
> What the user base wants is some progress on usability, bug fixes, and
> a release interval not measured in years. The user base does *not* want
> either scripting or primary development done in some dweeb's pet
> language from the fringes of fanboy hackerdom that nobody else has ever
> heard of. And the user base most certainly doesn't want YET ANOTHER
> FORK that nobody but the author will ever see.
>
> -Dave, sick to death of this zero-productivity list traffic
>
On my poll the actual users who really voted made scripting win. If you
look at the list traffic this summer, you will see that a considerable
amount of text was pro or contra guile/scheme in gschem.
The _real_ user base also installs binaries from their distro's
repository. They are also not subscribed to this list or if they are,
they almost never speak up. They don't care about forks, branches, they
install whatever their distro has.
On this list we have mostly power users who has already forked or have
their own branch in git, or stuck with a specific past vesion of the
official stuff or using the head version. They happily comment ideas and
mails after reading only 1/3 of the text.
If anyone does anything new in a fork or branch or whervere that doesn't
end up instanty in the head or in distros, there will be no more than 2
people on the list who actually download, compile, try and _then_ comment
the stuff. If you disagree, prove me wrong by prividing a list of links to
the recent list archives.
What geda, pcb, pcb-rnd, xorn, and other related projects don't have is a
small, but active user base who are willing to try experimental code and
provide feedback according to the actual tests, not according to reading
mails.
Considering these, the best we can do is to ask the list as I did and
then believe the results, whatever they are. What you do, telling us
what the user base don't care about, is mere speculation - you don't have
more access to the real opinion of the actual user base than any of us.
You can share your own opinion and assume the user base has the same
opinion. This is not better than a poll in any way.
Regards,
Igor2
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