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On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak
<knaak AT iqo DOT uni-hannover DOT de> wrote:
> Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-
> user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>
>> I understand that you have contributed meaningfully to this project but
>> we need a team to be blessed by the powers that be.
>
> In my very humble opinion, we need a working team in the first place. The
> keyword here is "working" as opposed to let patches bit rot, not decide
> weather or not a feature branch should get merged or abandoned, or not the
> least, procrastinate releases and have no road map with goals for future
> development whatsoever. Everything else should come second.
> (Sorry for the harsh words. But realistically, the above characterizes the
> progress of the geda project since about 2008 for the most part. Yes,
> there were significant improvements in some areas and I am glad about it.
> Else, I would have switched away since long. But seen from a distance the
> progress looks glacially -- in particular when compared to projects like
> freecad or kicad)

"Harsh words" no honest. You are right.

I tried to find out what objectives were needed in one thread and then
set out to do it and got pushback from someone I knew to be a more
serious developer who was pushing scheme on me. It became a problem, I
felt like other developers would back me up but it was not the time to
be creating conflict. I was going to make a C plugin interface in
libgeda (and etc) to work in parallel to scheme. Igor2 was going to
implement back notation (I won't say annotation for the reasons John
Doty and I have hashed out). I got mired in political nonsense and
gave up deciding to work with Igor2 and on other projects.

I hope that after we have leaders I can revisit the projects people
were calling for and some of Igor2's code can be merged. Making a new
stable release should come first.

>> The blessing legitimizes the team.
>
> Kings and popes need to be blessed...

I believe in neither but that is beside the point.

>> With out a legitimate team the project will devolve back into people
>> fighting on an email list
>
> Sorry, but I have not seen developers seriously fighting on geda-user ever
> since I started reading it in 2005/2006. The list geda-devel while it was
> readable for mortal users was even more peaceful.

We are of different opinion on what constitutes a fight then.

>> and even if code is written no release could ever be issued. gEDA will
>> be known as that project with a million forks,
>
> Being motivated and capable to contribute but locked out by the powers
> that be constitutes a strong motivation to fork. This is more than pure
> speculation. Remember, why Igor started his pcb-rnd?

I know I was a minor participant in that fork. We have talked a lot
about this because I really like working with him. The guy is a better
programmer than me. Back in the older days he tried to add
functionality to PCB but it was in the middle of a proposed (and
ultimately mostly unexecuted) initiative among some or all (unsure)
developers of PCB to rewrite it in a more object oriented style. He
was asked to rewrite his patches more than a few times for reasons
that looked more aesthetic than hygienic. He also got a lot of
criticism for how quickly his code was written. He got fed up and went
off to create PCB-RND.

I already explained how he ended up creating his fork of geda earlier
in this email.

> ---<)kaimartin(>---
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> Kai-Martin Knaak                                  tel: +49-511-762-2895
> Universität Hannover, Inst. für Quantenoptik      fax: +49-511-762-2211
> Welfengarten 1, 30167 Hannover           http://www.iqo.uni-hannover.de
> GPG key:    http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=Knaak+kmk&op=get
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