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--089e0149ce380aea60051fe23038 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 16 September 2015 at 20:58, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, DJ Delorie <dj AT delorie DOT com> wrote: > > > >> That is inarguable but meanwhile you have a user base that adopted the > >> current ones. This is why there should be at least two options. > > > > Sure, which is why we haven't really changed them in a while. EDA is > > a specialty function that requires consideration for special needs, > > such as custom key bindings. It's always a compromise unless you give > > all control to the user, which may cause more harm than good if the > > user isn't an expert on choosing key bindings. > > Respectfully that is a little condescending to the users. They may > have come from xyz commercial suite and have bindings they like. We > don't try to tell people which workflow to use. Likewise we should > leave them to their key bindings. Our job is to make the tool great > not to save people from themselves. > > Why not look a bit at how Cadence do keybindings. Their schematic capture tool is not very unlike gschem. Keys are bound to functions through an API call, an example is here: http://www.utdallas.edu/~huihua.huang/index_files/.schBindKeys.il In a post on their community forum, Andrew Beckett presents a solution to have multi-key bindings: http://community.cadence.com/cadence_technology_forums/f/48/t/13782 When doing SKILL development, I always used google to find examples. There are so many universities having cheap access to Cadence, and the students share scripts. There even is a USENET group comp.cad.cadence where tons of examples can be found. I'm not saying that geda should become a Cadence copycat, but remember that Cadence has integrated a lot of tools into their portfolio. Most of them have had different code base and they have glued the flow together with SKILL. guile could be the glue between gschem and other back-end tools in the free and open source EDA world. -- Svenn --089e0149ce380aea60051fe23038 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 1= 6 September 2015 at 20:58, Evan Foss (<a href=3D"mailto:evanfoss AT gmail DOT com"= >evanfoss AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda= -user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT de= lorie.com" target=3D"_blank">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>></span> wrote:<br= ><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border= -left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;= padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5">On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at= 2:46 PM, DJ Delorie <<a href=3D"mailto:dj AT delorie DOT com">dj AT delorie DOT com</= a>> wrote:<br> ><br> >> That is inarguable but meanwhile you have a user base that adopted= the<br> >> current ones. This is why there should be at least two options.<br= > ><br> > Sure, which is why we haven't really changed them in a while.=C2= =A0 EDA is<br> > a specialty function that requires consideration for special needs,<br= > > such as custom key bindings.=C2=A0 It's always a compromise unless= you give<br> > all control to the user, which may cause more harm than good if the<br= > > user isn't an expert on choosing key bindings.<br> <br> </div></div>Respectfully that is a little condescending to the users. They = may<br> have come from xyz commercial suite and have bindings they like. We<br> don't try to tell people which workflow to use. Likewise we should<br> leave them to their key bindings. Our job is to make the tool great<br> not to save people from themselves.<br> <div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></d= iv><div>Why not look a bit at how Cadence do keybindings. Their schematic c= apture tool is not very unlike gschem.</div><div>Keys are bound to function= s through an API call, an example is here:</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.= utdallas.edu/~huihua.huang/index_files/.schBindKeys.il">http://www.utdallas= .edu/~huihua.huang/index_files/.schBindKeys.il</a></div><div><br></div><div= >In a post on their community forum, Andrew Beckett presents a solution to = have multi-key bindings:</div><div><a href=3D"http://community.cadence.com/= cadence_technology_forums/f/48/t/13782">http://community.cadence.com/cadenc= e_technology_forums/f/48/t/13782</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>When do= ing SKILL development, I always used google to find examples. There are so = many universities having cheap access to Cadence, and the students share sc= ripts.</div><div>There even is a USENET group comp.cad.cadence where tons o= f examples can be found.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not saying that g= eda should become a Cadence copycat, but remember that Cadence has integrat= ed a lot of tools into their portfolio. Most of them have had different cod= e base and they have glued the flow together with SKILL.</div><div>guile co= uld be the glue between gschem and other back-end tools in the free and ope= n source EDA world.</div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><= div class=3D"gmail_signature">Svenn</div></div> --089e0149ce380aea60051fe23038--
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