Mail Archives: geda-user/2015/09/14/18:04:02
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Markus Hitter (mah AT jump-ing DOT de) [via
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> Am 14.09.2015 um 21:10 schrieb Vladimir Zhbanov:
>>> This is work in progress. LP admins are apparently mortal, too, because
>>> > none of them shows a sign of life.
>> Markus, please, stop this :)
>
> Why whould I? I'm active not only on this list, I'm also on IRC and
> write people personally.
>
> I wrote Peter TB Brett, the person listed as "owner" of the gEDA
> Launchpad team. I had to grab his email address from Git, because he
> decided to hide it on LP. I asked on IRC about the LP team. He decided
> to not answer. Or he didn't recognize it on any of the channels. From my
> perspective he's inactive, gone, disappeared, choose your favourite term.
When someone has gone through that much effort they are really trying
to be left alone.
>> Admins are apparently mortals (their list you can find at
>> https://launchpad.net/~geda-admins/+members#active), and they cannot
>> read all this flow of posts as quickly as you write them.
>
> This hide and seek game most of the older admins orchestrate has to
> stop. With this attitude they managed to grind gEDA development to an
> almost halt. None of them is forced to put work in, but if they decide
> to stay away it's most important they don't take the keys with them.
> Easiest ways to ensure this: hand out a lot of keys or remove the door
> lock entirely.
No they should stay hidden. We need to move on past them. I feel like
the need to preserve what these founders put down (almost like a
shrine) was what drove the backlash against my dethroning scheme.
Antifork is a good thing and I am trying to find time so I can join
those people. I can not help but feel like I did in the last days of
openwince-jtag and their equivalent of the antifork..
>> You know, for sure, the name of the admin responsible for pcb :)
>
> The idea that some single person is "responsible" for community work is
> a wrong idea. Every single person of a community is. Some of these
> community persons keep the place nice, comfortable and, most important
> of all, open.
Agreed. I think what drove people into hiding was the push by users to
hunt them down and demand they add XYZ. Users need to be listened too
but they also have to respect that there are reasons for things not
happening exactly as/when they wish. They were also under a lot of
pressure to merge stuff that was not in keeping with there own vision
of things.
Having each person who adds a commit accountable for it in the present
release(s) is different than having them maintain it.
>> Probably, DJ could help you, too.
>
> I asked DJ and he says he has no business with Launchpad.
>
>> Therefore, Bert and Marcus, please just tell me what you want to do,
>> I've just not read the discussion yet. For now, I've configured
>> blueprints for pcb to be managed by launchpad.
>
> Very nice :-) One person alive :-) Thank you.
>
> Off the top of my head there are two more things:
>
> - There's a backlog of 5 people waiting for approval:
>
> https://launchpad.net/~geda-admins/+members
>
> Neither approving nor declining them for several years(!) is certainly
> not the way to grow and strengthen a community.
I remember when I was added. Stuart was nice and well other people
were not. At that point I quit. I would have ok'd the new people who
tried to join during the "EDAcore" discussions we had. A few of those
folks were from KiCAD and just wanted to work together. I forgot we
even had that list.
> - One of them is Eugene Mikhantiev. A week ago I asked Eugene wether he
> wants to move his PPA to the gEDA Administrators team to catch several
> birds with one stone:
>
> - gEDA would have an official PPA, then, always delivering the latest
> builds. Excellent for the "Downloads" web page.
>
> - gEDA would have an active admin on Launchpad. OK, counting your
> appearance, he'd be the second active LP admin, then.
>
> - We had another developer and collaborator.
>
> Believe it or not, he agreed! You see? It's sometimes as simple as
> writing people a nice email to bring them in. I used his PPA and it
> works flawlessly, excellent contribution!
Ok I might be wrong in my earlier statements. We will see.
>
> Cheers,
> Markus
>
>
> P.S.: I'll calm down now. :-) Thanks for your efforts, Vladimir.
>
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