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On Sep 11, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Svenn Are Bjerkem =
(svenn DOT bjerkem AT googlemail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] =
<geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> On 12 September 2015 at 00:22, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
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> On Sep 11, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) =
[via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
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> > I'm trying to make Guile more interesting / less awful for gEDA =
users.
> >
> > As a first attempt, I've added some example scripts at [1].
> >
> > Please look at them, try them and ask questions if something is =
unclear.
> >
> > I'm planning to add other info since I have some (I hope) useful
> > scripts, e.g. making symbols using Guile or transforming hierarchy =
into
> > a symbol (grown from from the geda_sch2sym shell script on =
Launchpad).
> >
> > Any feedback is appreciated.
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> Really cool stuff!
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> The only thing I=92d change is the header "Scripting examples=94. It =
should be =93Gschem Scripting Examples=94. The gschem and gnetlist Guile =
API=92s are very different, so it could confuse readers.
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> Currently the language confuse me. I wrote a lot of helper scripts =
during my Cadence days. SKILL is also a kind of LISP, but it strikes me =
how different the notation is. Where SKILL hardly used any other magic =
characters but ', guile seems to use *,? and ! in ways I am not able to =
grok by just looking at the code.
They=92re not special, just part of names, often used to indicate =
something about a function. For example, the name of a function that =
tests some condition conventionally ends with =93?=94. But that=92s only =
a convention. Similarly, functions that work =93in place=94, modifying =
their arguments, conventionally have names ending in =93*=94. Scheme =
does not enforce these conventions.
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> I would be happy if the scripts were elaborated a bit more regarding =
'how to think when programming guile in geda' for people who has =
programmed before, but not in guile.
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> I just got started with John's example for back-end programming in =
gnetlist, and I really think that gnet-devel.scm should be a part of the =
distribution.
=93gnetlist -i=94 now gives you all of the gnet-devel functionality =
(thanks, Peter B.), so that would be redundant.
> Playing around on the REPL command line reminds me of the CIW window =
in Cadence. Does the same exist for gschem too?
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> Svenn
John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
http://www.noqsi.com/
jpd AT noqsi DOT com
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after-white-space;"><br><div><div>On Sep 11, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Svenn Are =
Bjerkem (<a =
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wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On 12 September 2015 at 00:22, John Doty <span =
dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com" =
target=3D"_blank">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
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On Sep 11, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Vladimir Zhbanov (<a =
href=3D"mailto:vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com">vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>> =
wrote:<br>
<br>
> I'm trying to make Guile more interesting / less awful for gEDA =
users.<br>
><br>
> As a first attempt, I've added some example scripts at [1].<br>
><br>
> Please look at them, try them and ask questions if something is =
unclear.<br>
><br>
> I'm planning to add other info since I have some (I hope) =
useful<br>
> scripts, e.g. making symbols using Guile or transforming hierarchy =
into<br>
> a symbol (grown from from the geda_sch2sym shell script on =
Launchpad).<br>
><br>
> Any feedback is appreciated.<br>
<br>
</span>Really cool stuff!<br>
<br>
The only thing I=92d change is the header "Scripting examples=94. It =
should be =93Gschem Scripting Examples=94. The gschem and gnetlist Guile =
API=92s are very different, so it could confuse =
readers.<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Currently the language =
confuse me. I wrote a lot of helper scripts during my Cadence days. =
SKILL is also a kind of LISP, but it strikes me how different the =
notation is. Where SKILL hardly used any other magic characters but ', =
guile seems to use *,? and ! in ways I am not able to grok by just =
looking at the =
code.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>They=92re not =
special, just part of names, often used to indicate something about a =
function. For example, the name of a function that tests some condition =
conventionally ends with =93?=94. But that=92s only a convention. =
Similarly, functions that work =93in place=94, modifying their =
arguments, conventionally have names ending in =93*=94. Scheme does not =
enforce these conventions.</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>I would be happy if the =
scripts were elaborated a bit more regarding 'how to think when =
programming guile in geda' for people who has programmed before, but not =
in guile.</div></div></div><div><br></div>I just got started with John's =
example for back-end programming in gnetlist, and I really think that =
gnet-devel.scm should be a part of the distribution. =
</div></blockquote><div><br></div>=93gnetlist -i=94 now gives you all of =
the gnet-devel functionality (thanks, Peter B.), so that would be =
redundant.</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Playing around on the REPL command line reminds me of the =
CIW window in Cadence. Does the same exist for gschem too?<br =
clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div =
class=3D"gmail_signature">Svenn</div></div>
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