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On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com)
[via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 04:27:35PM -0800, Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
> ...
>> Or you'll become vim, the most successful editor by far.  It was a
>> gigantic relief to stop fighting with elisp and use perl (that I know best).
> I like vim too. Though emacs is more popular among programmers. From my
> point of view this is because it has many extensions and docs which do
> not force users to write something themselves.
>
>>
>> If we had the topo router going in Ruby that would be lovely, and it
>> wouldn't have to interact with anything else to be useful.
> 8-O Spherical topo router in vacuum?
>>
>> > If you support Perl, Ruby, Python, and Scheme, you will certainly find
>> > Python and Perl fans who are using your application constantly at each
>> > others' throats, re-implementing the same 'script' functionality 8 or 9
>> > times, and generally wasting time that could be better spent enhancing
>> > their plug-in packages.
>>
>> If all these discussions show anything at all, it's that people are not going
>> to agree which features are most important or how exactly they should
>> work.  It's because their needs are too dramatically different.  Therefore,
>> there's much less waste in having scripts with overlap than you think.
> Please see, those are not my words. Just a quote.
> Agreed with the statement that needs differ. Disagreed with all other.
> First things I tried to do with gschem files to automate some things
> were vim scripts (and vim highlighting), shell scripts, sed scripts, awk
> scripts, python scripts (rewrite of tragesym for my needs), makefiles,
> probably some other stuff. This continued until I found the geda-scheme
> info and gaf and ways I can quickly do simple things without needing all
> the above. I've planned to start with a new document in the wiki to
> publish some excerpts, but now I spend time on this discussions to
> protect Scheme in order not to lose motivation to do anything further.

The documentation is clear. I have read it. The scheme as a language
is a pain in the neck.

>>
>> In any case, we have no one in a position to mandate any particular
> And this is wrong. 'Real democracy' (anarchy) :(
> Things get worse and worse since Ales has given up (or he has been
> forced to).
>
> We definitely need a project leader (as other projects have) who could
> pronounce his/her sentence about all our arguments and about the
> short term goals we are going to achieve.

To be fair we have the dev list where people should be taking ideas
and finding out how likely they are to get pushed into the mainline if
they are implemented. Right now even if someone comes up with code to
do something they have no real idea of how likely it is to ever see
wide spread use. Who would even bother?

>> language.  Forks are overtaking main-line already.  We'd do better to
>> try to ensure that all the scripts make it into the distribution somehow
>> in such a way that people can find them.
> Or analogous functionality, at least.
>
> Cheers,
>   Vladimir



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