Mail Archives: djgpp/1997/02/25/05:18:10
Thanks for a reply, when I write something its nice to get a response,
please note:
This was not a troll.
>The point is that the libraries from cygnus are the problem. Since
>they are under the GPL license, you are under serious restrictions as
>far as publishing programs that are linked to their libs is concerned.
very true, but Windriver systems sell the cygnus compiler and libraries,
along with their development
system that is written using Cygwin32... they also package tcl/tk for
adding extra functionality to their
environment, perhaps this may be the way to go, I have not looked out
for it, but I feel sure that they did
not port it themselves
>
>I'm not a windows-fanatic. (I think it has serious drawbacks, though
>it's improving (e.g. NT4)). But windows is a little more than a 'nice
>gui front'. The point is that it would be nice to have a free
>Windows-development environment in the same way DJGPP is a free
>DOS-development environment. And apart from creating full-blown
>windows applications it would also be possible to compile
>console-applications, without any Windows-specific code.
Yes I agree that it would be nice to have this, but is the work worth
while? I said that it was purely used
for a nice gui front, as it seems that most of the people who use this
fine package, are aiming to write
their own games, and/or learn C/C++ adding windows programming may we be
a little too daunting for
people such as this, personally I would like to see an easy way to write
windows programs, and if you
could tell me the way that this is possible I would gladly use it... I
hope that you do not suggest Borlands
or Microsofts class libraries, as I know software engineers & p.h.d's
with years of experience who find the
use and implementation these a nightmare, if you put the people who are
just starting out, in that evironment
you will have a lot of disgruntled ex-users, the strength of a proect
such as this is measured by the number
of users that it has.
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>DJGPP with win32-support could e.g. be used to write games using
DirextX. Or to port Allegro to windows...
Yea why not? DirectX is okay, allegro is excellent, but do we need
windows running the show? After all
directX is only now allowing users to do what allegro has been allowing
them for sometime. Many of the
professional compaines do not use DirectX, and prefer to use the
libraries and routines that they always
have, the principle being that if you use what they provide, they will
lead, and we will follow.
>
>By having a free development environment for windows, we wouldn't be
>so dependant on the tools that microsoft creates.
Well what is DirectX? and what happens when Win96/7/8/9 comes out and
changes the result of the years of work that the likes of you and me
have ( saying that we do decide to attack the WIN32 development system )
put into it?
Would it not be better to a) develop better DOS tools? b) write a micro
kernel for games/applications
that allow us all the functionality that we want without the overheads
of windows etc?
Don't get me wrong, if there are serious plans to go ahead with a Win32
support package for DJGPP I will
willingly add my name to those who would provide resources, code, time,
and money. But many projects
loose direction if no one takes the opposing standpoint and asks some
questions. It is just that in during my
career I have written software for many operating systems, and none of
them are perfect, all are open to
critisim, and none of them do exactly what you want them to.
If there are plans to write the Win32 stuff please include me in them!
>>My views are not those of my companies, they are my own, and no one will
>>take them away from me
>
>I'm trying :-)
Not even close ;->
>Rob Humphris
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