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From:	design AT netcom DOT com (Chris Waters)
Subject:	GO32 vs. TCMD (aka 4DOS for Windows)
Organization:	Design and Delivery
Date:	Thu, 31 Aug 1995 03:12:14 GMT
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This is something I found fairly recently, and it's put quite a damper
on my plans to upgrade a large chunk of my c:\bin directory to 32 bits.
DJGPP's GO32 seems to hang Take Command's Caveman session.  If you only
know what half of that last sentence means, you probably only read one
of the two newsgroups this is posted to.

Take Command is the newest thing from J.P.Software, the makers of 4DOS. 
I know that some of you DJGPP people know what 4DOS is.  Take Command is
the Windows version, a true Windows application, which lets you run DOS
*OR* Windows apps from the command line.  (Almost makes Windows usable
once you get away from that slow point-and-grunt interface!)

And GO32 is the 32-bit DPMI/VCPI DOS extender created by D.J.Delorie and
friends to run DJGPP--the DOS version of the famous industrial-strength
freeware GNU C/C++ compiler--and apps built with DJGPP.

Now Take Command has this special gizmo called "Caveman," which lets it
pretend to be a valid DOS output device, even though it's really a
Windows program.  It can run DOS stdio apps, and even some simple
write-to-the-screen type apps, with this Caveman thingie.  But GO32
stops it in its tracks.  I don't even need to run an 32-bit program.

It's not a 32-bit issue--the Tenberry DOS/4GW extender runs just fine
under Take Command/Caveman.  It's something about GO32 in particular. 
Or, if you prefer, something about this Caveman gizmo in particular.

Now, I'm out of my depth at this point.  I know a lot about DOS and
UNIX, and even OS/2, but I don't really know DPMI, and I know squat
about Windows.  So, I thought I'd bring it up, maybe perform a brief
introduction ("Rex Conn, Tom Rawson, meet D.J. Delorie and associates. 
D.J., et. al., meet Rex and Tom") and see if somehow, between these two
newsgroups, I could muster up enough expertise and interest to solve
this problem.

Take Command is at: ftp://ftp.std.com/vendors/jpsoft/tcmd/tcmd101.zip

GO32 is available at: ftp://oak.oakland.edu/vendors/djgpp/dj112m3.zip

Also, if anyone knows how or if the new DJGPPv2 beta works with TCMD and
Caveman, I'd be interested to hear.

If you've read this far, thanks for your patience.

cheers,
Xtifr

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