X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.linetec.nl Subject: Re: [geda-user] Maximum current for thermals? To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: <5244f7b5-c5d7-33ec-cd8a-c16d0595d7bb AT linetec DOT nl> <68ca3760-0748-1934-816e-4f67f8570ff3 AT earthlink DOT net> From: "Richard Rasker (rasker AT linetec DOT nl) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Message-ID: <77d67fa4-82df-d50c-1997-ac8bd2d932ed@linetec.nl> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:56:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <68ca3760-0748-1934-816e-4f67f8570ff3@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id 00FKvM1R005600 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Hello Dave, Op 15-01-20 om 20:24 schreef David W. Schultz (david DOT schultz AT earthlink DOT net) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]: > On 1/15/20 9:47 AM, Richard Rasker (rasker AT linetec DOT nl) [via > geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > >> Still, I wonder what the approximate current capacity of these thermals >> is? I know from experience that a few amps is no problem at all, but I'm >> pretty certain that they'll fail upwards of 25A or so. If possible, I >> prefer thermals for easier soldering, so a more accurate estimate of the >> limits would be appreciated. >> > Tis a complicated question. > > This might help: > https://www.amazon.com/PCB-Trace-Via-Currents-Temperatures/dp/1530389437 > > Too rich given my level of curiosity. > > > A paper by that books author that I found discusses fusing current. > > t = 0.0346 * (A/I)^2 where A is area in square mils. > > Looking at a TO-220 thermal I see a flared trace but the center is about > 20 mils so that is the starting point. Assuming 1 second then I is about > 5A. Since I have both top and bottom pours that gives 8 connections and > a limit of about 40A. But that equation ignores all heat loss. With a > short trace connected to a large area of copper and the device lead this > is a lot. So fusing current should be way more than 40A. Nick Bowler's calculations suggest to me that 100A probably causes problems (0.3 watts per 0.04 mm² thermal spoke), but that 25A is fine. But it is indeed rather more complicated than I thought. I think I'll go brush up on my thermal conductivity calculations (did some of that long ago with Peltier cooling) and see where that gets me. Thanks, best regards, Richard