X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=draconx-ca.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8g/EZQ/hs7GOeZdN0M/axjcGNZmOAuGvYJVLbpRO3sA=; b=lARSB9edLs3Ja2yvyUXqJ/+9y29u3U6gip9CwJWOBS0GsHgZw0ExdR+ovFdGynXx66 ilDuI4VkwLxKr9TwPqvRstkNq5D8W5ASco63h+JegFYSins+fm3jdZyWtl1niqO96Ebm ekgwf8Qb/IIebYsq441aR8TnHyHcuFQm3mhf/8JjdX+1PxDpzA9kAieX127uUlfJampq W0pY2IAhZnIZVzfvcpfMvZVp4rbkToMulOob+PDlQfANP1rk1iiLj9zGc+pRxvP085+G JGGb9ubIbwmrKoZMaz/sVWmD2mOtRBDi+EMzlAe5Z3HLv9akZNDwFkH8okEVcM5hPjho iYiA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8g/EZQ/hs7GOeZdN0M/axjcGNZmOAuGvYJVLbpRO3sA=; b=DU+6oQd8dDMnJYa3p6z/KNvlkzeYMaL598apCHE/vvrDrSgULiCHN5LHWKTkGWEmqu 1eSV5R3cQA5+bfj5iIXUaXu9O1WbMg4G6cGRp/Py+2VmVn0T1FiqTIQBeOv51mUZsQmY uriLp63WbQD45B5gAzrAthtr0fPrOQpsMHyyOrEcCeZRb4grii5V+/S57kjysvyLvuwD DsoSxC+fZTyh25yscWg6NH6YFgUTTIo8G1hhxlEfUrV8rjYjlgxTe/NFefGiLFcwuTYP 4JNYrFrhQKufVkOxSRbXcpp23IT/fNeanxetbjI21tK9b2+vyAq2Nnzw+75XZNAxvWFt Fn+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUjWyPCVOuBLP1zbLFmaBP2pyHH89qBU/5daVxkShqxfHkhcjms SRO23NZfVOuy+dWlXb9DgO9yVXLUr7v2LuSssdISvNuZgks71w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxITaNUKqAiCKN5cWm+osY0sp4mF24yVsRcsjK4FvTYf7Sxc23YbKawPnn/ggjLJnddW6MrfCsV6JGT9InlsC0= X-Received: by 2002:a25:bccf:: with SMTP id l15mr6143192ybm.225.1579109283650; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 09:28:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [162.243.96.244] In-Reply-To: <5244f7b5-c5d7-33ec-cd8a-c16d0595d7bb@linetec.nl> References: <5244f7b5-c5d7-33ec-cd8a-c16d0595d7bb AT linetec DOT nl> From: "Nick Bowler (nbowler AT draconx DOT ca) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:28:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] Maximum current for thermals? To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id 00FHSfdg020276 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On 1/15/20, Richard Rasker (rasker AT linetec DOT nl) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > I have a hopefully simple question: I'm putting a 16A terminal block in > a ground plane, with Ø 3 mm solder pads and a 1.3 mm hole (0.85 mm > annulus width), with 0.2 mm clearance. Copper thickness is 0.035 mm > (~1.5 mil) > > Connection with a thermal gives 4 connections with a width of 0.2 mm > each, same as the clearance. This seems a bit skimpy, so I usually make > these high-current connections without thermals. > > Still, I wonder what the approximate current capacity of these thermals > is? I know from experience that a few amps is no problem at all, but I'm > pretty certain that they'll fail upwards of 25A or so. If possible, I > prefer thermals for easier soldering, so a more accurate estimate of the > limits would be appreciated. Resistivity of copper ρ is about 1.7 × 10^-8 ohm*m at 20°C, with temperature coefficient α about 3.9 × 10^-3 / °C. Divide ρ by the trace thickness (0.035mm) and width (0.2mm) to get: ( 2.4 * (1 + α(T - 20°C) ) mOhm/mm where T is the trace temperature. Let's say we don't want things hotter than 50°C so we'll plug that number in and our 0.2mm long thermals to get each thermal having a resistance of about 0.5 mOhm. There are 4 of them so if each carries 1/4 of the current then: 25A: each thermal will dissipate 20mW or 80mW altogether. 50A: each thermal will dissipate 80mW or 0.3W altogether. 100A: each thermal will dissipate 0.3W or 1.2W altogether. How hot the thermals will get is a system design question of how well you are heatsinking that generated heat away. They are presumably connected to a large copper plane which will help. Cheers, Nick