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On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Britton Kerin
(britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]
<geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Britton Kerin
>> (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]
>> <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 6:29 PM,  <gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2015, Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately no one is going to be nearly so well positioned to merge
>>>>> your
>>>>> stuff as you are.  Relatively, it will be painfully inefficient for
>>>>> them and they
>>>>> will feel it as they work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately no one is as unmotivated to invest time in this as I am. This
>>>> won't happen, sorry.
>>>
>>> I take it you acknowledge that no one can do it as easily as you.  But
>>> I guess you
>>> also feel that since others don't want to bother much, there's no
>>> reason you should
>>> bother or use build/vcs you dislike.
>>
>> I know we would all like Igor2 to do what *we* want but isn't it
>> enought that he is gifting us with code that is written around our
>> project? The answer is no and we should respect that he does not want
>> to carry us. Surely someone else can look at his VCS commits, do some
>> diffs and make some patches. The mission for those people (including
>> me) who want PCB to stay around should be to figure out how to do
>> this, not how to control someone else's time.
>
> It's not a matter of controlling his time, but of who can do the work
> efficiently.  Merging other people's code is both time-wise inefficient
> and much more likely to create nasty bugs than if they do it themselves.
> The sad thing is that apparently Igor once wanted to, and has since
> decided that he's determined not to.  Reasons for the change appear
> to include aversion to DVCS and autoconf.

I brought this up while I was testing pcb-rnd. Numerous other people
made the same comments. If we were trying to change a group dynamic it
would be good to have another voice in the crowd but this is one
person. I don't like it when a crowd of people chants at one person.

>>>

snip

>>> My fantasy when I heard about ruby scripting in pcb was that perhaps Stefan's
>>> router might someday see the light of day afterall.  Oh well
>>
>> I keep seeing mentions of this legendary router. I have been these
>> gEDA lists +10 years but I don't remember it. What was the big appeal
>> if it?
>
> It's a non-orthogonal router with good performance metrics.  The description is
> academic but it looks not too hard to add keep-out areas, additional costs to
> the cost functions, etc.  I don't know how far Stefan ever got with
> those real-life
> features.  I've lost the paper its based on but it was fairly readable.

Ok thanks.

> Britton



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