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On Aug 23, 2015, at 7:41 PM, DJ Delorie <dj AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

> 
>>> In other words: gschem urgently needs a button "make a PCB from
>>> this" and also a "simulate this" one.
>> 
>> Simulation is as simple as pushing a button? Which simulator? Where
>> are models? Which notion of hierarchy are you using? Which
>> schematics? How are your stimuli generated? How is output displayed?
>> So many options. Putting this into gschem is too complicated. You’d
>> need subsystems for script editing and something like make. Except
>> that excellent tools for those jobs already exist. A toolkit should
>> use them, not reinvent them badly.
> 
> John, your failing here is that you refuse to consider the option of a
> toolkit that provides easy-to-use defaults.  You assume a toolkit must
> always be used the hard way, and must not provide any convenience
> features.

“Convenience features” that don’t work make it harder to discover what works. I’ve been struggling with Vivado lately…

John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
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