X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 63.119.35.194 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] Antifork From: John Doty In-Reply-To: <55D9C34A.2090709@jump-ing.de> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:49:10 -0400 Message-Id: <6750AAC3-AAD6-416E-9694-F863D9BD57B5@noqsi.com> References: <55D8D8B8 DOT 7050907 AT jump-ing DOT de> <20150822230549 DOT 3750 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se> <55D9A5AE DOT 9090604 AT jump-ing DOT de> <55D9BC06 DOT 9060106 AT iae DOT nl> <55D9C34A DOT 2090709 AT jump-ing DOT de> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id t7NMnH5T027964 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Aug 23, 2015, at 8:57 AM, Markus Hitter (mah AT jump-ing DOT de) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > Am 23.08.2015 um 14:26 schrieb myken: >> On 23/08/15 14:13, John Doty wrote: >>> Why should we listen to people who don’t understand how a toolkit works? >> Because they attract new users. > > Also because having a toolkit doesn't mean a user needs to use each tool separately. Mac OS X, Ubuntu, Android are all well received samples of toolkit based OSs where a mere user doesn't have to know about toolkits. Still expert users can take advantage of it as easily as if there were no GUI. Indeed, but you use *different* tools in OSX depending on what you want. Pages is not LaTeX, and trying to merge them is folly. Let there be integrated tools. Let there be toolkits. Don’t break a toolkit by trying to integrate it. "There’s a power av vartue in keepin’ things sep’rate" -Rudyard Kipling, “Captains Courageous” John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com