X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-SourceIP: 95.97.163.245 X-Authenticated-Sender: b DOT mykendevelopment AT upcmail DOT nl Message-ID: <55D9BB90.5020708@iae.nl> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:24:48 +0200 From: myken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] Antifork References: <55D8D8B8 DOT 7050907 AT jump-ing DOT de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com On 23/08/15 06:46, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote: > To me, this means even if there are only a few active PCB developers > out there, proprionally there are even fewer active users/testers. > There are occasional sprints in development, and there are usuallt 2 > or 3 users reporting results. > > There's probably nothing wrong with that, but if that's the case, I > find it natural that developers find it more motivating to develope > for themselves than for the "crowd" - at least, that's the effect on me. And this will be the dead of pcb. I totally understand your argument and I sympathize. I didn't volunteer as a tester because you wrote somewhere you disabled things *YOU* didn't need. My conclusion was "well then probably the things *I* need are untested or won't work". So why bother testing stuff that may not work for *ME*. Like John Doty said: one person’s essential feature is another’s debilitating bug. The great thing about adding to the official repro is that I know that the things *I* like in pcb are still there and that I'm only testing the additions. Lately I get the feeling pcb is in a downward spiral, developers start for themselves and users get scared/confused and runaway. Resulting in testers leaving and that will motivate developers to start for themselves..... Not to mention new users... I like the idea of Markus, but if we want to keep pcb alive we need a strong and active project manager. Who can use the script of Markus ;-) Cheers, Robert.