X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= reply-to:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=fm2; bh=m dXj3cMazX3EFmT4wwQEsKw2IhRLz1KbuSnn2O/LGBA=; b=RNAXxL1AdRvg+j4Pr AtctNunUBvJMmOMBXz5LAKuDPb/oT8rDJQtfoZv2VWZhTwXk7uHM0jSUQbt3qWvb yBeKJQ0GqLoKDy2TI8jP6/64kq4ujJ0rEfsWrNzsVJKiXsSU+KWU4guxBi1HTbwT R16/CkcqDVFh+VxMfp5CA4AXx/iXYk2sXiJfYv8HGVO9qBjulm4SmWDpdWKixQUR myntgvJ4W0g7Wr5DjsDJc3pQi73VBu5sQwXh/pDcouB4KDMsoQfW9OSqcb2zCOEZ 5ELVJ7nd8iCB5mYAlcdeFFfu3lATBxmP/m92E3iEKvQT8y2Ro7y6Vz1AlZBLvzLN FIHmQ== X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=mdXj3cMazX3EFmT4wwQEsKw2IhRLz 1KbuSnn2O/LGBA=; b=UDJ5hX08IkBA6V4HuYVmqBNszE8rsiJEnY7ySzuh/2aoP oqt6Y0WimaijahRQF7K3ahOiBqhW048OC2tq0WUfEojgCtDX4YcWp5dmkAQ2e9a3 dymQ9RZwIShtpc8LiK2kxRKuR0XFdlPD278XIBVVU3ofhJWpnnASchIY1oT5hNTP mgjNCiADJz2UzYvhdJUsbwTtNveDbXIH9W8vKvLnNB2O26RntIOptC3YPeVmYpiX TdYpk5fClrC8NEJ9b0YZlZu07dnAyDMYQf0rI2HIs2WARyyM1v5+BFxLbuVSD+Y0 UsU0iCX00hlEOSJNGPmQvZBV3FasL7gd16NdPmZYA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrjeeggddugedvucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfquhhtnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucef tddtnecunecujfgurheprhfuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgfgsehtkeertddtfeejnecuhfhroh hmpefiihhrvhhinhcujfgvrhhruceoghhhvghrrhhlsehfrghsthhmrghilhdrtghomheq necukfhppedutdekrddvudehrdduleehrddvtdehnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhroh hmpehghhgvrhhrlhesfhgrshhtmhgrihhlrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgep td X-ME-Proxy: Subject: Re: [geda-user] Refdes bug or Master Attribute Document on the Wiki needs update. To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: From: "Girvin Herr (gherrl AT fastmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 12:53:50 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On 1/30/19 10:07 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > John Doty writes: >> But that should be a choice, defined by the scripting for a particular >> flow, not in the core code. There aren’t just these two mechanisms, >> either. Allegro, for example, has a much more elaborate mechanism that >> keeps track of the symmetries within slots (which input to the NAND >> you use doesn’t matter), as well as the symmetries between slots >> (which slot your use doesn’t matter). > I think this legacy treatment of refdes's by PCB is "universally > unliked" by devs, and perhaps there are few enough remaining pcb users > that we can safely nuke it from orbit now. > DJ et al, The point of my original posting was to shed light on this anomaly. By my experience, this feature is already "nuked" in gEDA, since it does not seem to work. However, since it is "nuked", why not remove the feature from the Wiki documentation (Master Attribute List for one), which still says it does exist? Until that is done, it is potentially a user-frustrating bug. IMHO, The suffix feature is mainly for ease of reading the schematic, especially by those who are not aware of the slots. This is most advantageous in service manuals, where technicians not aware of the original circuit design, are reading the schematics. In my view, the gEDA workflow and tools certainly do not need the suffixes to function properly. Since I am making a note to no longer put the suffixes on refdes's  in my future designs, and to use the work-around I mentioned in my OP instead, my workflow is fine. Thanks. Girvin