X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/KSFzSTNPZ2blNNxxWGjAmHCgg6R39KsWE5owSPigHw=; b=s4nO/7wVSUrpQ0herlSv4Yt7nnn/7bl2Famdri0eLPweIXR7qmEcyRoID4YvYg0bHM FXMaouIJLk7KmRKSE6rpppOuAcHskPRcPWDVLtfuLzgCred47rONH1iHIrZvAQOq1LGY MrPF2fsz/0QjpvEDLBMtY5dS9XUBXAZoTzHbQ5jOCLVj5XwQdh8LNKpSKpsnz+ezOaFO +TUtkwZu0wRtZtbg/S+iy1NG45PW5mtc+TQfN0EIts6esQWbsFjfCp/9kXFvBTyBNPPn IF+lPgQxPaar2KGnp3Qmw7ce8r+bv0lCvbox2zujq3ekT2+cth3uOi99Wlx1Scr35mLs QRBA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/KSFzSTNPZ2blNNxxWGjAmHCgg6R39KsWE5owSPigHw=; b=JyY02A7jTsn9i4uzjA3aZJj6Li0jScchmMl1mBna1xXbGDujZx4r3K1injBpiFqZNH F+z3FY3hC35oEdUUcBat5jy0Q918wnKHlP7EVwkebGzm+I60YLNmLu8vAxUUtoPUN54m 0mYV4bW+a09NRI2mk4ngScsY5IYohP4oDhnJhrp5yE5gFY5He1jfm3mn6i7yRApWqZ66 LbwthsG4YIBJwLxxRu8cmx2jy2UfF55CCKVi/jgjDz2wgIj0gs9PyXi20/Yj4VTBjrmS H24RAmG6z8t1uylW9BRwfmo5+9DynvQqoVaqw9CJFOIRKA2PZSKWptpYJLU8yDqJpbWL WUjQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQKPmliPxP8ozMwxSlLOqa313yA7J7FuoLbewTK4HNTxE4Ys375hKJmLpC/qYNFjQ== X-Received: by 10.28.226.139 with SMTP id z133mr27602785wmg.75.1453839522994; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:18:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:18:40 +0100 From: "Nicklas Karlsson (nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] The nature of gEDA users Message-Id: <20160126211840.1566d9211a21e05d7603a928@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <56A751EC DOT 8030402 AT iae DOT nl> <20160126124701 DOT 0d061912c7e078ced9d4e6cb AT gmail DOT com> <201601261804 DOT u0QI4KEQ009550 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0beta1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk > > Frankly, PCB is not a > > high-end package and custom ASIC users are not our target audience. > > But gschem can do schematic capture for ASIC even though that’s not its target. The difference is that gschem doesn’t limit what you can draw. It’s quirky and limits *how* you can express what you need, but I’ve never found it incapable of expressing a circuit. It gives you a few crude primitives and a few ways to compose more complex objects from simple objects. A few layers of that, and you have a 6000 component mixed-signal ASIC. A few crude primitives to compose more complex objects is the only thing available in pcb and gerber which is the most common output. Basically layout data is just a bunch of drawing primitives. Footprint and via/pin/pad is more or less there just to hold together some primitives so movement of these objects get simpler. Primitives are: lines, circles, circle segments, polygon and cut out of these. As is now there are limits on there and how they could be used in particular for via/pin/pad. Ideally it should be possible to use all of them at all layers: layout, footprint/element, via/pin/pad. Nicklas Karlsson