X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 207.224.51.38 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_552BD138-F719-4BC5-A98E-B7EA852E6D74"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] A lesson from gnet-makefile X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: John Doty In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:41:33 -0600 Message-Id: References: <1042003D-82E2-40F0-AB60-8186580C46AD AT noqsi DOT com> <201510121905 DOT t9CJ5T9W026297 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <88EA58F5-2B23-498A-9E5B-84054976DBED AT noqsi DOT com> <4D3CD563-D8EE-4B2A-975A-AC2B573960FF AT noqsi DOT com> <34B17816-9EA5-45FD-BFB4-9D623A8D3D87 AT noqsi DOT com> <20151014084734 DOT 47c681e21a7a6f2ab1a6b86f AT gmail DOT com> <9E26BFD4-A144-44E4-BEDC-98C4E1822DA7 AT noqsi DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_552BD138-F719-4BC5-A98E-B7EA852E6D74 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D1025BBE-A929-417B-BE9F-28E1F28EBABE" --Apple-Mail=_D1025BBE-A929-417B-BE9F-28E1F28EBABE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Oct 14, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Svenn Are Bjerkem = (svenn DOT bjerkem AT googlemail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] = wrote: >=20 > On 14 October 2015 at 15:41, John Doty wrote: > If we use the power of the architecture, we can make those changes = without the hazard. We have a transparent file format and a powerful = scripting facility. One source of this controversy is that many = developers won=92t use Scheme. Fine, but then you can=92t responsibly = work on improving gschem or gnetlist because everything not in Scheme = takes away from the flexibility. >=20 > I am wondering what this would mean to truly hierarchical schematics = and netlist creation containing true buses/bundles of nets and pins with = geda. Those of us making truly hierarchical netlists for SPICE and Verilog use = a separate gnetlist run for each module. But there=92s a missing tool. = It=92s hard to automatically figure out what goes into a design: = geda-gaf has its search rules, but their application is hidden. It would = be really nice, for a variety of purposes, to have a tool that takes the = top level schematics for a project and generates pathnames for all of = the source files, partitioned according to their use in the hierarchy. = This would be useful for a number of purposes including, but not limited = to, hierarchical netlisting. I should investigate whether the gaf utility could be used as a = foundation for such a script. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_D1025BBE-A929-417B-BE9F-28E1F28EBABE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252


On 14 October 2015 at 15:41, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
If we use the power of the architecture, we can = make those changes without the hazard. We have a transparent file format = and a powerful scripting facility. One source of this controversy is = that many developers won=92t use Scheme. Fine, but then you can=92t = responsibly work on improving gschem or gnetlist because everything not = in Scheme takes away from the = flexibility.

I am = wondering what this would mean to truly hierarchical schematics and = netlist creation containing true buses/bundles of nets and pins with = geda.

Those of us = making truly hierarchical netlists for SPICE and Verilog use a separate = gnetlist run for each module. But there=92s a missing tool. It=92s hard = to automatically figure out what goes into a design: geda-gaf has its = search rules, but their application is hidden. It would be really nice, = for a variety of purposes, to have a tool that takes the top level = schematics for a project and generates pathnames for all of the source = files, partitioned according to their use in the hierarchy. This would = be useful for a number of purposes including, but not limited to, = hierarchical netlisting.

I should investigate whether = the gaf utility could be used as a foundation for such a = script.

John Doty              Noqsi = Aerospace, Ltd.

http://www.noqsi.com/

jpd AT noqsi DOT com

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