X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 207.224.51.38 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_94D79124-2F1A-44DE-B962-E1AA9E5C9BCC"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] A lesson from gnet-makefile X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: John Doty In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:32:06 -0600 Message-Id: <50348A66-9285-454A-A8FA-4310BA39C095@noqsi.com> References: <1042003D-82E2-40F0-AB60-8186580C46AD AT noqsi DOT com> <201510121905 DOT t9CJ5T9W026297 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <88EA58F5-2B23-498A-9E5B-84054976DBED AT noqsi DOT com> <4D3CD563-D8EE-4B2A-975A-AC2B573960FF AT noqsi DOT com> <34B17816-9EA5-45FD-BFB4-9D623A8D3D87 AT noqsi DOT com> <39FF6208-7D45-4DE8-9AEE-1ED1B512705B AT noqsi DOT com>

<201510140229 DOT t9E2T45e021346 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <38EA4E25-A99C-4732-B803-215D5FCC3264 AT noqsi DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_94D79124-2F1A-44DE-B962-E1AA9E5C9BCC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Oct 13, 2015, at 10:22 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via = geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:11 AM, John Doty wrote: >>=20 >> On Oct 13, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via = geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >>=20 >>> True but this is a functionality that should be available everywhere >>> s_conn is. A point you really have yet to produce a good counter >>> argument too. >>=20 >> Maybe you should look at implementing your ideas in the Xorn context. = No Scheme. This is perhaps the future. Roland certainly seems prolific = with it: maybe it=92s a quicker way, too. >=20 > No I want to advance gEDA not the almost totally parallel but > compatible toolchain Xorn is growing. Roland and I consider his tool to be part of gEDA. I like the idea of = having xorn-gnetlist and scheme-gnetlist for the future. Give developers = a choice of paradigm and language. But to advance scheme-gnetlist, you = really need to give up your aversion to scheme. I don=92t get this idea that to advance a toolkit you need to add = features to the tools. Consider: Once there was a text editor, QED. QED rewritten for Unix became ed. = People started using ed in pipelines (clumsy), but instead of adding a = pipeline =93feature=94, somebody wrote sed. Somebody noticed that g/re/p = was a common use pattern, and grep was born. None of these things was = quite what you wanted for complicated data extraction from text files, = but instead of adding =93features=94 to them, Aho et al. created awk. = Wall wanted features in place of awk discipline, but wisely created a = new vehicle for them, perl. Except for QED, all of these tools remain in common use. The isolation = of different approaches to the text processing problem in different = tools is, for many of us, the source of the flexibility of the kit. And = if you don=92t agree, you can use perl. >=20 > Like I said eventually we will want to back notation this and that > means having an understanding of connections in gschem. I disagree. The tool that feeds the changes into the schematic needs = such an understanding, but that does not require anything of gschem. For = one of my projects, I make flattened as-built schematics by annotation = via lambda-geda. It=92s entirely automated: gschem is not involved. >=20 >> John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. >> http://www.noqsi.com/ >> jpd AT noqsi DOT com >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Home > http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ > Work > http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/ >=20 >=20 John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_94D79124-2F1A-44DE-B962-E1AA9E5C9BCC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWHoOHAAoJEF1Aj/0UKykR768P/RFS5cXZ1aaFPY8Dkq73ujFf uRQky05196xk2ezUMlWPC/8G0Gjva6zftqQriZMG42Naph9RjkGnsCmA6uKsbjQS Uy1aegY9NsXXFCJW4eQqsXv18ig1EUZliMaHewwgMzREHI8MWggFs6itbpsWYowL Izf+QGiSngm26JSIAF60xqLtcLPAJZiq6vkELEtp+UstGmEERVnGK58Q/I5PS5SV JNxyjzb9TJyWFl7uSmu8ggxhM9J2H5Vx7xYU/tHtyIcSqp7WxWqJ/mPTUAzpWkHv 9h3dCQAkad+SMSDClJw5qmdsRBe1Mk+cRaRozwDIj1DyUhfhBPXOaG9vPiq/74kE KZYbXVF+qRRCYFrQUt30f/8Njpm4zvksfGbiqWGdalBt/sY3pOrvx7GWDa5R6OI6 m0aOdut4HJfU1/9GPOsHU7W7HY1ZuugUxLyFy+DXUUDHDi10DHqssfv/2LqItyT1 tXkH38mNUIqxj7D+i/jt72hpeFtsw25hMDGWdhTbunXjFutnWRMiUVVuwd+BlJVP 2ctDPhLza0UDczd5oFQIyS22GUgsaE/m/x4kSgZ5FyS6yqakQ3cYOe4s5sWGagbM +ytHTPKErYzsKz854Fuluh6wn9PIbQsxxBrPYtoYgPhsnqFMxO2ItnTVYzyav7Lc +9IPV37yrMz+d+4Hadhz =3I8L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_94D79124-2F1A-44DE-B962-E1AA9E5C9BCC--