X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 207.224.51.38 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6AE56673-9066-48A1-B2F8-A4B12373DB9C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] A lesson from gnet-makefile X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: John Doty In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:26:30 -0600 Message-Id: <38EA4E25-A99C-4732-B803-215D5FCC3264@noqsi.com> References: <1042003D-82E2-40F0-AB60-8186580C46AD AT noqsi DOT com> <201510121905 DOT t9CJ5T9W026297 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <88EA58F5-2B23-498A-9E5B-84054976DBED AT noqsi DOT com> <4D3CD563-D8EE-4B2A-975A-AC2B573960FF AT noqsi DOT com> <34B17816-9EA5-45FD-BFB4-9D623A8D3D87 AT noqsi DOT com> <39FF6208-7D45-4DE8-9AEE-1ED1B512705B AT noqsi DOT com> <201510140229 DOT t9E2T45e021346 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_6AE56673-9066-48A1-B2F8-A4B12373DB9C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Oct 13, 2015, at 8:56 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via = geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:47 AM, John Doty wrote: >>=20 >> On Oct 13, 2015, at 8:29 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>>> No, I assume that you don't know what might break the tools. >>>=20 >>> Please don't assume the worst of people. >>>=20 >>=20 >> I don=92t. I do assume that good people will make blunders. This is = completely normal. I=92ve made enough of them. Minimizing the = opportunities for blunders is important. >=20 > Yet you talk like it would doom the suite when in reality it could > just be fixed. Would it be? The current developer culture is so pcb-centric I have no = confidence that anyone would care. >=20 > Old workflows using the flat nets already have userbase that gets > priority in conflicts. I=92m all for hierarchical netlisting. Maybe you should look at how = gnet-spice-noqsi (https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi) or Paul = Tan=92s hierarchical Verilog netlisting approach (see his posts on this = list from a few years ago) gets it done. No need for major surgical = intervention. > The new nets have no users and we can change > them after an unstable release with out harming anyone's work. I > thought that was the point of unstable releases, branches and etc. It=92s even more the point of new tools and scripts. >=20 >> John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. >> http://www.noqsi.com/ >> jpd AT noqsi DOT com >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Home > http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ > Work > http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/ >=20 >=20 John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_6AE56673-9066-48A1-B2F8-A4B12373DB9C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWHctmAAoJEF1Aj/0UKykRGxoP/2Y0z2L89OjAbZ3o7vqfD3XF JSrNNQdXpwqAKVbnHx51PFWWME5p68Bdxilr6Xe6xxGlOlnPz0aQF8k91rucVXaY hAL+cMv0SuyKou094sHPwgjm7wh7PN07SCV7CVYucQfuFPk7x73dOUrsVPeMWeTO rDcbCc5mKeDAS1eGy5P83ed5/VN0kDOwQQo+C76sOMbSkNf1JipLP3c3WnKtvlOI KNvltUghgeANWH6a1fEL8rgbGQLsBwZx/WqsPlPBF63+QPnB7rKADgTFPjiwCdC1 NMMHSeTyJCWWLR1j4bNB+w0mv6I3z2qGjMnLhsQKxrqnYjYguZGyXFURm1XLHTyw 7zuE0IZWQwckeM8OlH0EhJ7cVPjg4S06aMRl0A1n5RIGG1xjaHYK3yDYbI9dCAVD 81T9s9d4nk0tkfOCXvcixuYj5KJJpw7JOinLrLLkyomuaro2mHTC8I9br4TPGelN 3cogqf3M1Ts20b4jd3R2il8fx2vn6GagOXpfmCCuYiJcoPhsKv4R/wcvHPdvCWbV Bnl7yRvyrHsA1sjnmk2QrVbf0UHvbWLfGy2YlEV+MT970fI58VYRapDxZclPSb7r 7a+0EnMiIoKtf3KhlHLKM1O1x4n3zYlJiPDjiSnkqJxkM3DKUqTFP3AwCklO7hIp cMHmnc4aO2eg+vdaMvie =ShmK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_6AE56673-9066-48A1-B2F8-A4B12373DB9C--