X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seznam.cz; s=beta; t=1443796230; bh=OEJiiUtOFAWLiVCJw0v91Fwo2SGlFrbEQ4Ak7rLHxtE=; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-Id:References:Mime-Version: X-Mailer:Content-Type; b=Yvld+7Z3e1oh79FES5Lj4uoEdSOKXf+rrUrbsyR/6BYkVVRSvETwbQxh7fO7IRE2i 3nKI/UC7glS0dio5mB523y3mMasj3xR03VZbV+FgnNs9kSsnZJ8YMIWm5D/UxSj6xF jozNOYqOFDPbDG95/heYlJArtxL3KQVCh4/Gqk1I= From: "Vaclav Peroutka (vaclavpe AT seznam DOT cz) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: Subject: Re: [geda-user] Stop playing stupid political games with gEDA Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 16:30:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: References: <201510020536 DOT t925a5PK017417 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <0788cca443ca40a88d6e21f1a216a759 AT net2air DOT co> <560D81CE DOT 1010800 AT jump-ing DOT de> <201510012211 DOT t91MBXPI025587 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <560DB972 DOT 30203 AT jump-ing DOT de> <201510012306 DOT t91N6MXc027775 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <3705430D-86F7-45ED-AB09-4F9F737C8000 AT sbcglobal DOT net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (szn-mime-2.0.6) X-Mailer: szn-ebox-4.4.286 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_3976cdb52cde367a17dd728c=18a8bab3-5ce7-5f71-9982-394954fce146_=" Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com --=_3976cdb52cde367a17dd728c=18a8bab3-5ce7-5f71-9982-394954fce146_= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:36 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> I disagree with the developer mailing list being separate. In my >> perception, this separation creates second class citizens. >" Do you think that user is second class citizen ? Clearly, one list for just developers where you can talk about internals and hidden stuff. Second list is for users to share user knowledge, answer user questions. But no need to talk about internal representations whatever. Of course developers can be in both two lists. What is unclear on that difference ? I will be rather second class citizen than to dig through tens of emails every day. People will leave such list with unnecessary developer info. If you want "users" to commit patches then write the document about internals of gschem, pcb. Make schem and pcb simply buildable on both Linux and Windows. Without figthing with obscure guile package etc. And document it how to do that (last year I did not even succeed to cross compile PCB on Linux to play with GCode generator. I asked here and nobody helped how to build PCB. So I simply gave it up). And hope that somebody will have spare time after work and growing kids. Is it still unclear why moving developer conversation to dev-list is better ? You want more users, right ? Give them features, give them bugs fixed. No real user is interested in development chat. --=_3976cdb52cde367a17dd728c=18a8bab3-5ce7-5f71-9982-394954fce146_= Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:36 AM, DJ Delorie <dj AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>> I disagree with the developer mailing list being separate. In my
>> perception, this separation creates second class citizens.
>


Do you think that user is second class citizen ? Clearly, one list for just developers where you can talk about internals and hidden stuff. Second list is for users to share user knowledge, answer user questions. But no need to talk about internal representations whatever. Of course developers can be in both two lists. What is unclear on that difference ? I will be rather second class citizen than to dig through tens of emails every day. People will leave such list with unnecessary developer info.


If you want "users" to commit patches then write the document about internals of gschem, pcb. Make schem and pcb simply buildable on both Linux and Windows. Without figthing with obscure guile package etc. And document it how to do that (last year I did not even succeed to cross compile PCB on Linux to play with GCode generator. I asked here and nobody helped how to build PCB. So I simply gave it up).


And hope that somebody will have spare time after work and growing kids.


Is it still unclear why moving developer conversation to dev-list is better ?


You want more users, right ? Give them features, give them bugs fixed. No real user is interested in development chat.


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