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Subject: Re: [geda-user] Stop playing stupid political games with gEDA
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> I disagree with the developer mailing list being separate. In my
> perception, this separation creates second class citizens.

We used to have just one list.  The non-devs wanted the dev talk moved.

We switched to an open dev list.  It was abused by non-devs.

We switched to a closed dev list.  The non-devs complained.

After a while, we had no devs.

Now we have one list (geda-user) for general discussion, and we happen
to have a few other mailing lists that generally have no discussion on
them yet seem to be a hot spot for everyone who isn't on them.

You refer to "the developer mailing list" as if it's some magic land
where everything wonderful happens, but in reality it's just a list of
people with git commit privs.

We can't win.

Just because the project is open source does not mean that everyone
has a right to be on every mailing list.  There are some topics that
are too trivial to warrant scrutiny (minor server issues) and some
that should not be public for privacy issues ("people problems").

As for "second class citizens" it's unfortunate that you look at it
that way, it's a negative view, that someone who has acheived a goal
somehow diminishes all others.  Certainly in any project there are
ranks of participants, ranging from admins down to the uninterested.
That most of the planet's population aren't admins doesn't make them
"second class" - it just means if they wish to be admins, they have
yet to earn it.  Likewise for those who aren't developers, those who
aren't users, those who don't use computers, etc...