X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=cWq2u7Y/n3EzLxTabZkCdx2TK/HwOzfmAt3Fc5bial8=; b=UWmzh/Pl9MyRkE9dy46WMVHYROqFt89ILIZOFfd7ZtJ+BB18o8FjVjn6B47VqL65Lj BxDfc/viKenE2B/Lu09GyXq29dVAvbMx30yOvaiw7yjzLvbWtX0Je+4B6+zrhxKxHpmQ 8EO6eEb7BoqjJ7dMQA9riM5FFcYjaxCq9UfsnAtf+wZlRicUoJTOsOqy70sEDvDdBHlu rj1kpqFFIM4V8k4fRSuUOF2QCdyb1EKtCWdCO4JvYuN56DUJbKW5bBCKCCwE+SBBUez7 lLBmXRLnsCHHNiq4NCGSNsy09ZPzW9FqxRQfK65ud8nqgy1A1qkQGLvDJZNx2QYlnr/I QOSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.24.40 with SMTP id r8mr28211046obf.15.1434451605896; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 03:46:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <927938412.2746297.1434327935081.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <927938412 DOT 2746297 DOT 1434327935081 DOT JavaMail DOT yahoo AT mail DOT yahoo DOT com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:16:45 +0930 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: [geda-user] Any news about FOSS EDA coordination? Import/export, common file format From: "Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com)" To: geda-user Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c29f1a6ac22c0518a04a68 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --001a11c29f1a6ac22c0518a04a68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The new kicad s-file format has added bezier curves to line, arc and circle drawn elements, but not ellipses. Regards, Erich. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Cirilo Bernardo (cirilo_bernardo AT yahoo DOT com= ) wrote: > Sharing a common format will indeed be possible but we would need people = to > > study what can be shared. At the moment for example KiCad supports 32 > copper layers and 32 technical layers; mapping copper layers is easy > provided both software packages can support the same number of layers but > the mapping of the technical layers requires more coordination. > For drawing outlines KiCad only has circular arc and line segments; > there is currently no support for ellipses and such though I imagine > in the future some people may demand a few curve types which are > also supported by MCAD software, particularly Polynomial Curves and > NURBS. KiCad has no pad stack though some people say they will try to > find time to implement it. These are just a small portion of issues > which need to be addressed when communicating data between different > software. > > - Cirilo > > >________________________________ > > From: "timofonic timofonic timofonic AT gmail DOT com [kicad-users]" < > kicad-users AT yahoogroups DOT com> > >To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com > >Cc: foss-pcb AT ohwr DOT org; The Open Source Hardware Association Discussion > List ; kicad-users AT yahoogroups DOT com > >Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 11:40 PM > >Subject: [kicad-users] Re: [geda-user] Any news about FOSS EDA > coordination? Import/export, common file format > > > > > > > > > >Oh, the idea looked promising... > >So what about kicad and geda supporting both formats at least? What abou= t > sharing the same library? :) > > > > > > > >On Jun 11, 2015 5:27 PM, "Ouabache Designworks (z3qmtr45 AT gmail DOT com)" < > geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >>On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:29 PM, timofonic timofonic ( > timofonic AT gmail DOT com) wrote: > >> > >>What's wrong with IP-XACT? > >> > >> > >>It was created by the spirit consortium that was made up from engineers > from eda tool vendors, IP houses and Si vendors. Correct me if I am wrong > but I don't think that they had anyone on the committe who's day job > actually involved designing IC's. The biggest complaint is that to use i= t > you have to use vendorExtensions to do anything useful and once you add > that you have the same old problem that EDIF had with each vendor having > their own "flavor" of IP-Xact. > >> > >> > >>My biggest grip was that they don't support design variants that are > critical in IC design. They support parameters but parameters cannot chan= ge > a port list or a file list. If your > >> > >>design variant needs to change either of those then you are out of luck= . > >> > >> > >>IP-Xact has seen some adoption as a way to describe register bits with > tools that read an IP-Xact component file to generate the RTL,documentati= on > and head files for those registers. But it is capable of doing a lot more > than that. > >> > >> > >>I see IP-Xact as a case of pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. It > has some really great features that are usefull. For example if you add o= ne > IP-Xact file into your IP repository then that will provide a unique > identifier for your IP. No other repo in the world will have that same id= , > no more naming collisions. > >> > >> > >>IP-Xact is a packaging standard that does not tell you how to package > anything at all. They knew that nobody was going to adopt it if they had > change anything in their legacy IP so that all you have to do is to add a= n > IP-Xact file anywhere in your legacy repos and they will be IP-Xact > compliant. > >> > >> > >> > >>John Eaton > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >__._,_.___ > > > >________________________________ > > Posted by: timofonic timofonic > >________________________________ > > > >Reply via web post =E2=80=A2 Reply to sender =E2=80=A2 Reply to group = =E2=80=A2 Start a New > Topic =E2=80=A2 Messages in this topic (4) > >Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your > question. > >Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator > of Kicad. > >Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute > your symbols/modules to the kicad library. > >For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the > kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-devel > >Visit Your Group * New Members 7 > > > >=E2=80=A2 Privacy =E2=80=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=80=A2 Terms of Use > > > >. > > > >__,_._,___ > > > > > > --001a11c29f1a6ac22c0518a04a68 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The new kicad s-file format has added bezier cur= ves to line, arc and circle drawn elements, but not ellipses.

= Regards,

Erich.




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On Mo= n, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Cirilo Bernardo (cirilo_bernardo AT yahoo DOT com) <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
Sharing a common for= mat will indeed be possible but we would need people to

study what can be shared. At the moment for example KiCad supports 32
copper layers and 32 technical layers; mapping copper layers is easy
provided both software packages can support the same number of layers but the mapping of the technical layers requires more coordination.
For drawing outlines KiCad only has circular arc and line segments;
there is currently no support for ellipses and such though I imagine
in the future some people may demand a few curve types which are
also supported by MCAD software, particularly Polynomial Curves and
NURBS. KiCad has no pad stack though some people say they will try to
find time to implement it.=C2=A0 These are just a small portion of issues which need to be addressed when communicating data between different
software.

- Cirilo

>________________________________
> From: "timofonic timofonic
timofonic AT gmail DOT com [kicad-users]" <kicad-users AT yahoogroups DOT com>
>To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com<= br> >Cc: foss-pcb AT ohwr DOT org; The Ope= n Source Hardware Association Discussion List <discuss AT lists DOT oshwa DOT org>; kicad-users AT yahoogroups DOT com
>Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 11:40 PM
>Subject: [kicad-users] Re: [geda-user] Any news about FOSS EDA coordina= tion? Import/export, common file format
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>Oh, the idea looked promising...
>So what about kicad and geda supporting both formats at least? What abo= ut sharing the same library? :)
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>On Jun 11, 2015 5:27 PM, "Ouabache Designworks (z3qmtr45 AT gmail DOT com)" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
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>>On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:29 PM, timofonic timofonic (timofonic AT gmail DOT com) <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
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>>What's wrong with IP-XACT?
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>>It was created by the spirit consortium that was made up from engin= eers from eda tool vendors, IP houses and Si vendors. Correct me if I am wr= ong but I don't think that they had anyone on the committe who's da= y job=C2=A0 actually involved designing IC's.=C2=A0 The biggest complai= nt is that to use it you have to use vendorExtensions to do anything useful= and once you add that you have the same old problem that EDIF had with eac= h vendor having their own "flavor" of IP-Xact.
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>>My biggest grip was that they don't support design variants tha= t are critical in IC design. They support parameters but parameters cannot = change a port list or a file list. If your
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>>design variant needs to change either of those then you are out of = luck.
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>>IP-Xact has seen some adoption as a way to describe register bits w= ith tools that read an IP-Xact component file to generate the RTL,documenta= tion and head files for those registers. But it is capable of doing a lot m= ore than that.
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>>I see IP-Xact as a case of pulling defeat from the jaws of victory.= =C2=A0 It has some really great features that are usefull. For example if y= ou add one IP-Xact file into your IP repository then that will provide=C2= =A0 a unique identifier for your IP. No other repo in the world will have t= hat same id, no more naming collisions.
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>>IP-Xact is a packaging standard that does not tell you how to packa= ge anything at all. They knew that nobody was going to adopt it if they had= change anything in their legacy IP so that all you have to do is to add an= IP-Xact file anywhere in your legacy repos and they will be IP-Xact compli= ant.
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>Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creato= r of Kicad.
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