X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at neurotica.com Message-ID: <508EECDA.8090803@neurotica.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:53:46 -0400 From: Dave McGuire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121011 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] The state of gEDA/gaf (Was gEDA/PCBs diversity, Was: Pin hole size) References: <2CB304B5-9587-4734-84E4-49F464744D11 AT noqsi DOT com> <6BF2E986-51EB-41E9-A4AD-8071CD00B1A1 AT jump-ing DOT de> <834283D4-0891-486E-A981-2FF20B32C615 AT noqsi DOT com> <54CAA7EE-7638-4B89-8197-111D0493F859 AT noqsi DOT com> <508CE947 DOT 4050408 AT xs4all DOT nl> <665E18E2-E9F9-40E4-9DE1-CC8FDBBDCB00 AT noqsi DOT com> <508EE43F DOT 5050505 AT neurotica DOT com> <9B14233C-F3A7-489C-BDC7-F6EAAAFCAB51 AT noqsi DOT com> In-Reply-To: <9B14233C-F3A7-489C-BDC7-F6EAAAFCAB51@noqsi.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com On 10/29/2012 04:38 PM, John Doty wrote: >>> I haven't found it difficult to get people to adopt gEDA. But no >>> layout person I work with is willing to use pcb. >> >> What do these people use that they think is so much better? I like >> it just fine. > > Osmond, Tango, Calay, PADS. One customer switched from Calay to PADS. > For me, the change was a single word in a Makefile. What other tool > or kit can do that? None. gEDA is great stuff. Aren't all of those very expensive Windows-only packages? >> Eight years ago it was a mess, but it's quite nice now. > > To me, the conceptual mess remains. As I said, it's like driving > through downtown Boston: it's all random special cases, no > structure. I dunno. The boards I make with it work just fine. Why do I never run into these limitations, when I use PCB very frequently, while you, a person who just said they don't lay out their own boards, see all of these horrible problems? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA