X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Miles To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] Soldering problems In-Reply-To: <20120718081812.GA2581@visitor2.iram.es> Message-ID: References: <500423C2 DOT 2030201 AT estechnical DOT co DOT uk> <500474CA DOT 5020505 AT estechnical DOT co DOT uk> <50065479 DOT 8060307 AT keensupport DOT net> <20120718081812 DOT GA2581 AT visitor2 DOT iram DOT es> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (LRH 1217 2009-02-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1903393012-1047741547-1342625576=:10934" X-PMX-Version: 6.0.0.2142326, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2012.7.18.152416 X-PMX-Server: mxout14.cac.washington.edu X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=X, Probability=10%, Report=' TO_IN_SUBJECT 0.5, HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, MIME_TEXT_ONLY_MP_MIXED 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_2999 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, NO_URI_FOUND 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_MIXED 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NO_NAME 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1903393012-1047741547-1342625576=:10934 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mxout14.cac.washington.edu id q6IFWux7007538 On Wed, 18 Jul 2012, Gabriel Paubert wrote: [snip] > I've been worried about leakage due to surface currents, this is an are= a > in which I have little experience (in microwave at 50=CE=A9 characteris= tic > impedance, leakage due to a few tens of k=CE=A9 would be irrelevant). I= n this > circuit, there are up to 15V of potential difference between a pin > and its very sensitive neighbour, where a leakage of 1nA would swamp > the signal. The spcaing between the pads is only 0.3mm! As a precaution= , > I've been inserting guard ring in which forces me to use 100=C2=B5m tra= ck > width and spacing. The result is basically: In the "old days" nodes like this would joined on teflon standoffs. Guar= d rings are very helpful, of course. Whether this can be made to work or n= ot - not sure. > Power pad|100=C2=B5m space|100=C2=B5m ground|100=C2=B5m space|Signal pa= d|Space|Signal pad|... > > I believe I can not do much better in terms of layout, but what should = I > do during assembly to ensure that the leakage due to potential residues > between signal and power pad is ~100pA or less. 15V/100pA is 150G=CE=A9= , which > I don't even know how to measure. I was thinking of cleaning up all res= idue > carefully (acetone and/or IPA). Then the board will be handled with glo= ves > and installed inside a shielded enclosure (no dust can come in). > > But still, I'd like advice from people who do low level signal measurem= ents. You're probably already planning on it, but I'd recommend a series of rinse operations, each using clean solvents, and draining carefully between steps. Can you do anything to control (minimize) humidity? How are you going to test whether you've been successful or not? HTH! -Frank ---1903393012-1047741547-1342625576=:10934--