DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 delorie.com 51MBSiGM1375379 Authentication-Results: delorie.com; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=cygwin.com Authentication-Results: delorie.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=cygwin.com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 delorie.com 51MBSiGM1375379 Authentication-Results: delorie.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key, unprotected) header.d=cygwin.com header.i=@cygwin.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=default header.b=wkm2A5YD X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 413CB3858C30 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cygwin.com; s=default; t=1740223723; bh=LYJraujW6cX8GxOXElp4QzeF5Jxwu3RMsIkTl7txOWo=; h=To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe:From:Reply-To: From; b=wkm2A5YD01j6Q4bRQYMlgvShrxN6yp7kOOiBny/ObOOKtXOvS3qvW0cNjDl1Rvoig 5C62IFpGuKvHXxo0TYUGSuu4adFAg14HCDyrIG+rBbv5SErcGfZhS0679K/qqaUnNx A5yTmR78bzWzi3PMkAveOxxM0ba9czdkB7TObgHo= X-Original-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org E60473858D20 ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 sourceware.org E60473858D20 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1740223656; cv=none; b=E3PXr36tRe8tDQc9uf8hFVJjUBL7VFR6gYPmR2RaqspsBSZNItJqZnojUnlN0Xoz2Ix82miD1SyWfsWZQ8z+auh1f0hVhd/FF+d1nD0jKt7pHSvMT9/spcAq3l6iiU1WntjwYcJsbmWLLCelevsg7ry8zBJ1uKD9mIr0T8SVMcQ= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1740223656; c=relaxed/simple; bh=p9IVRhdfe0vod/qu4lF0zgCD1bP8smB+tG9YWQ0+/IQ=; h=DKIM-Signature:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version; b=Tmsw9fVnY5RA8dNnKDdjeH5ZV6KNLDv/wf0BTokjPKKHH9GoZ35RUON0eCr5/bS5YbyT+7AGTxW10hd5l4XtpSDiAgoPq3tMxTHjqvJssmrla3fopgU5SBdrXWowfG8ieuUEnKxLipAw3/lRWXXlmZtbyyZlmG3EXnUUCuJGDhE= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; server2.sourceware.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org E60473858D20 To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: Making a Cygwin 3.5.8 release? Fwd: All sparse file fixes available in cygwin-3_5-branch? In-Reply-To: (Cedric Blancher via Cygwin's message of "Sat, 22 Feb 2025 08:17:00 +0100") References: Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 12:27:26 +0100 Message-ID: <87r03qz0bl.fsf@Gerda.invalid> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-purgate-server: smtpa08 X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate: clean X-purgate-size: 1776 X-purgate-ID: 155817::1740223650-2A763DD5-E873959A/0/0 X-BeenThere: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: ASSI via Cygwin Reply-To: ASSI Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: cygwin-bounces~archive-cygwin=delorie DOT com AT cygwin DOT com Sender: "Cygwin" Cedric Blancher via Cygwin writes: > We are VERY concerned that this plan will backfire. Basically nothing > here works right now, and we are still trying to determinate the root > causes. Plural. Too many bugs. I've said it before, but if you really didn't recognize it until now: Cygwin is a following a rolling release distribution model, which means it can literally break at any time and for any length of time. Now, I've also used (and am still using, albeit on a smaller scale) Cygwin in a corporate / production environment (which I belive is what you are talking about when you say "here"), so these things are in my view necessary to even think about such a deployment: - independent (internal) access to all sources and binaries - a separate test and build environment - periodic test builds of packages and Cygwin itself - full control over the package selection including version locks and the ability to roll back single packages or even full installs In the above scenario you could either decide to hold off on an update or fork and fix it yourself. If you can't do either of that, then sorry to say: this is first and foremost your problem and you get to keep the broken pieces. Secondly, correlation is not causation; you have AFAICS not yet shown that there is a bug in Cygwin. Even if there was, you still do not get to command what the project does to handle that situation. If you want to help it along, at least send actionable bug reports, reproducers would be better, better yet would be patches. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ SD adaptations for Waldorf Q V3.00R3 and Q+ V3.54R2: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada -- Problem reports: https://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: https://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: https://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple