X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com X-Original-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 9EF8F3858417 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=t-online.de Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=t-online.de Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] cygwin 3.3.0-0.1.9814cfd8f693 (TEST) To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <64c9fbd9-a370-ec24-a538-c0eed5b93341 AT cornell DOT edu> <765b6a51-10eb-d801-cd66-6d457bf56748 AT towo DOT net> <595331aa-6f14-fb96-8a32-1234c2dabb5b AT cornell DOT edu> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Hans-Bernhard_Br=c3=b6ker?= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 02:49:42 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <595331aa-6f14-fb96-8a32-1234c2dabb5b@cornell.edu> Content-Language: en-GB X-TOI-EXPURGATEID: 150726::1632012582-000143A3-6D4FB773/0/0 CLEAN NORMAL X-TOI-MSGID: a6040160-e18b-4215-916f-378533cda885 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, FREEMAIL_FROM, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: cygwin-bounces+archive-cygwin=delorie DOT com AT cygwin DOT com Sender: "Cygwin" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id 18J0oUko015357 Am 19.09.2021 um 00:32 schrieb Ken Brown via Cygwin: > Finally, I'd like to mention that it's extremely common for > autotools-based packages to have an autogen script like Cygwin's > (sometimes called bootstrap or bootstrap.sh).  There's nothing > surprising about this. It's unsurprising to have that state of things in git checkouts. It _is_ very surprising for tarballs, though. Those are generally expected to be buildable without having to run autoconf, automake, gettext, etc. I'm pretty sure the GNU coding standards have required it since day 1. Automake generates tons of makefile real estate just for this. Generally speaking, removing the generated files (configure, aclocal.m4, Makefile.in, etc.) from git, while laudable, comes at the cost of three extra pieces of effort: 1) Unless a simple "autoreconf -is" is sufficient to do the job, a script like autogen.sh has to be prepared and put into the git 2) To the greatest extent feasible, maintainer rules have to be made to actually work to auto-update those generated files without the hassle of having to re-run autogen.sh 3) Preparing a release tarball is no longer quite as simple as just zipping up an other wise unchanged, fresh checkout (without the .git). That checkout will differ from a proper tarball in both directions: there will be files that should be in the tarball, but not in the checked-out copy, and there will be files in the check-out that should not got into the tarball. autogen.sh itself, and the special README telling people about it, are among the latter. -- Problem reports: https://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: https://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: https://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: https://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple