X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:subject:to:references:reply-to:from:message-id :date:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=default; b=ko3h4ZwBk3KrbAH1 o7BUv3W+Rz0oF6D6fdma7Whj/O23zgwAWm2Z42rq3W72Qv/WMfoG223+AHQodjwC o8dpxF8vi1eztQQiFW8vYaIogtD83DI9eQJ4BF4cjgZ/6yidDDsSlnfQkZNcc4Ha hcYzqGPHRJLpZOIyLUfb+UpIkKY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post :list-help:sender:subject:to:references:reply-to:from:message-id :date:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=default; bh=HjE89dGBXVv0S3MbZ82IiM 6v/nE=; b=SbgcDPXxg21PlO5Zpu8x1+3tZW4N/NjPF5NmO21AN4uIwu2D0kGnuP W992DFBokk6JYoa/sawnoHESVD2tpaqEcVmtaCuZldfSCzFJ6lDkcs54G/vg0XAR Rrb3jWWjGXjJ7tTpAAItuyZTssdlw7J8PS27gbi7GRmtOUa2GlCYA= Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy=triplets, *that*, *need*, Fine X-HELO: mail-io0-f174.google.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:reply-to:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yoRAhJdt4sbBgDONA8TBPhzygiXpwsWlq+MPj+QpPS4=; b=bavGEf6xKcEST3qnNUwTyz7JXaT0yMmEwEoA3ZnZU7G9p6ila8eM6a6qov6aByPPeh 8jRCABjEu0ESRl10lPFEoFE3BhXGmFREWy+tjYgv0TCE/DODhTt8r4fL0tCCzW3SG8IE 55CLLbwcZdo3lBjewm6fIu99TXEYBJC3qUlsbso+ORGQTxUvebC7Ynxh67bDdJb/T8R2 d4qQPAFEbLtINIyW1RDYSDwswzsfpTKMT7bKTKq+5p6mPz+MCXDyFjACYUqdYisfG09J +gu9QjdgA+Va3azgJGKQfJ/kj60XwCByQJ6UW6ZnOUAJ4H54yaKT4kincQc2R764w1GE Vu1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVWplELsnt5JvxFi0avrqoL2egF1/zsUgQh3LzqUNUl9bPIN2Oh s5KvLB4JLrBYR/gtWbp7NSMxKA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+RFCSUUafUc2V3zb4FcwJdDl6T2XzCc8iz5iE4fJerhXkqze8TaaHyD6/ECgnkTSoCzx7wkwA== X-Received: by 10.107.52.200 with SMTP id b191mr7714778ioa.298.1508520243613; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Which is it -pc- or -unknown- To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <59e7e340 DOT e9099d0a DOT ecab9 DOT 127a AT mx DOT google DOT com> <5e3588d9-d0a6-4181-54aa-56afa5082eab AT gmail DOT com> <10f91c20-d6d0-0dc4-cd2e-f71b2489defd AT cygwin DOT com> <193B1E2F-25B2-4C44-BC27-ADD19DD8CD43 AT solidrocksystems DOT com> <59c46d01-832a-357d-53b3-7cc8a7c26f1b AT gmail DOT com> <45b5c7da-e802-ae5f-9692-a9caf94fcda7 AT cygwin DOT com> <2e67e7e4-f689-164e-da78-712f60490e9b AT gmail DOT com> <07e896be-05ce-1c21-da25-c66487684bc0 AT cygwin DOT com> <0621b067-5960-80d6-5666-4d2248cbd7cf AT gmail DOT com> Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com From: cyg Simple Message-ID: <9b92d95f-4987-d250-7338-9691a3d40929@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 13:24:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0621b067-5960-80d6-5666-4d2248cbd7cf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-IsSubscribed: yes On 10/20/2017 12:11 PM, cyg Simple wrote: > On 10/20/2017 11:54 AM, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: >> On 2017-10-20 10:44, cyg Simple wrote: >>> On 10/20/2017 11:24 AM, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: >>>> On 2017-10-20 08:28, cyg Simple wrote: >>>>> On 10/19/2017 4:33 PM, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: >>>>>> 2) the output of config.guess is a default and does NOT reflect, or need >>>>>> to match, our chosen triplet. There is nothing to fix in config.guess. >>>>> >>>>> Fine, it doesn't have to match, why don't you want it to? >>>> >>>> Because there is no correlation, is completely normal, and therefore no >>>> need to special case Cygwin. >>> >>> What is *normal* about it? Just because other's do it? I gave >>> scenarios in the mail which you elided from your response which give >>> credence to a reason to change it. >> >> You are still looking at these from the same perspective you were >> yesterday. Let me restate this one (hopefully last) time: >> >> Your assumption is that the default and chosen triplets must/should be >> one and the same. > > No, I assume no such thing. > >> They are not, they need not be, and we are far from >> being alone in this regard. Once you accept *that*, then the rest of >> this will make sense. Further insistence that they should be is >> counter-productive at this point. > > You still skirt a reasoning for it to be so. They don't need to be but > why aren't they? You've failed to answer the question by assuming I > need to be educated on how it is and refusing to give me a reason of why > it is. I know that I can specify something other than the default. I > don't know why the default is not the same as the chosen. You keep > failing to answer that question. Why does it *need* to stay -unknown- > instead of -pc-? > And to further my proposal that -pc- should be the correct config.guess vendor I find the following comment in config.sub. # We use `pc' rather than `unknown' # because (1) that's what they normally are, and # (2) the word "unknown" tends to confuse beginning users. i*86 | x86_64) basic_machine=$basic_machine-pc ;; I also find in the config.guess file the following filter for Linux on x86_64. x86_64:Linux:*:*) echo ${UNAME_MACHINE}-pc-linux-${LIBC} exit ;; -- cyg Simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple