X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_HOSTKARMA_YE X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse AT dyndns DOT com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX18vcR4dV2nQfYg8zb5RBrrQ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:44:31 -0400 From: Christopher Faylor To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: Two probable basing issues causing fork failures: (1) cygreadline7.dll has ASLR enabled, (2) default base address conflicts with ASLR-relocated/system DLLs Message-ID: <20120423154431.GC1133@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <00f201cd1f1d$43430230$c9c90690$@motionview3d.com> <20120420205019 DOT GA25994 AT ednor DOT casa DOT cgf DOT cx> <012001cd215c$b521ee20$1f65ca60$@motionview3d.com> <20120423145106 DOT GH7097 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120423145106.GH7097@calimero.vinschen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 04:51:06PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >On Apr 23 14:23, James Johnston wrote: >> Perhaps I did not make it clear enough, but these issues still exist as far >> as I can tell. I have clean Windows 7 and Windows XP virtual machines, and >> a clean install of Cygwin that was updated at the time I sent my original >> message. Both issues I described still exist. This is why I wrote the >> message. If the issues weren't existing on an up-to-date Cygwin >> installation, I would not write to this mailing list and waste anyone's time >> - I am usually not that dumb! >> >> Just this morning, I turned on my Cygwin installation in the Windows 7 VM. >> This time, cygreadline7.dll decided to relocate to 0x70030000 - different >> from the original location I mentioned in my original e-mail. This DLL is >> not locating itself in a stable location. And there are still system DLLs >> located very close to the Cygwin DLLs. >> >> If having Windows randomly rebase cygreadline7.dll in a child process via >> ASLR is not a problem, I'd simply be interested to know why. I thought >> *any* Cygwin DLL relocating itself would cause fork to fail. > >Yes, it is a problem in the first place if DLLs have the dynamicbase >flag set, because, obviously, it undermines what rebaseall is doing. >It's not a problem if the new address it gets rebased to doesn't collide >with any other used DLL since ASLR on Windows only shuffles ASLR-enabled >DLL addresses when a DLL is loaded by an application for the first time. >Afterwards, it will use the new address for that DLL until reboot. >So, yes, we should make sure that the ASLR flag is not used for Cygwin >DLLs. Is this something that rebase could turn off when it touches a DLL? cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple