X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org X-Yahoo-SMTP: jenXL62swBAWhMTL3wnej93oaS0ClBQOAKs8jbEbx_o- Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:49:50 -0400 From: Christopher Faylor To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Subject: Re: cygwin started speaking German today Message-ID: <20110910134950.GA10910@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> Reply-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com References: <7856072A9D04C24B82DFE2B1112FE38A0C27492B56 AT MCHP058A DOT global-ad DOT net> <201109081246 DOT 23238 DOT bruno AT clisp DOT org> <20110908135039 DOT GD6163 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> <201109082256 DOT 46125 DOT bruno AT clisp DOT org> <20110909150904 DOT GB27289 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 01:44:44PM +0200, Thorsten Kampe wrote: >* Corinna Vinschen (Fri, 9 Sep 2011 17:09:04 +0200) >> It is not at all the task of libintl to override the underlying OS, >> and in the case of Cygwin, the underlying OS is Cygwin, not Windows. > >Pardon me? >"Cygwin is: >a collection of tools which provide a Linux look and feel environment >for Windows. > >a DLL (cygwin1.dll) which acts as a Linux API layer providing >substantial Linux API functionality." > >Cygwin does not have any user account management, no file system, no >file system permissions, etc. So when did Cygwin become an operating >system in an operating system? Corinna, and most of the rest of us, know full well that Cygwin is not a real OS but that was obviously not her point. I believe that Corinna's point was that Cygwin distributed packages should not normally call Windows functions. The project's goal is to provide something that looks like UNIX to the end-user. That includes providing functions like open() which provide the feel of a UNIX filesystem and functions like getpwnam() which allow you to query user accounts. Cygwin programs are supposed to use open() to read files and getpw*() functions to access account information. Ditto for rest of the UNIX api. Yes, open() is not accessing a real-honest-to-god Cygwin filesystem and getpwnam() is only accessing a copy of Windows account information but WE ALL KNOW THAT. Cygwin is emulating an OS. That is a given. I assume that Corinna assumed that no one would be so pedantic as to send email to hundreds of people to pick nits about her use of the term "OS" in this context. You really don't seem to have a point beyond being disagreeably picky. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple