X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1179889566.20100726133244@mtu-net.ru> References: <30EAF1C130A74F97AC4C82B42ED55DAE AT hometoshiba> <20100725025446 DOT GA17000 AT ednor DOT casa DOT cgf DOT cx> <1179889566 DOT 20100726133244 AT mtu-net DOT ru> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:52:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Request for feature: more flexible setup routine From: Andy Koppe To: Andrey Repin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Note-from-DJ: This may be spam #On 26 July 2010 10:32, Andrey Repin wrote: > Greetings, Andy Koppe! =D0=97=D0=B4=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D1=81=D1=82=D0=B2=D1=83=D0=B9=D1=82=D0=B5! >> This makes me wonder whether Keep shouldn't be the default, on the >> principle that programs shouldn't do anything unless the user asks for >> it. > > Strange principle. It's the "Principle of Least Surprise". > Setup is intended to install/update Cygwin installation. > Of course it offer to update whatever is available for update. > Why shouldn't it? Yes, of course it should offer them, the issue is that it clandestinely sticks them into users' shopping trolleys and then makes them pay for it. At least some users do get surprised by setup.exe pre-selecting updates without making that obvious, such that the first they know about it is when large packages they didn't pick start downloading. (Setup.exe's behaviour is of course documented, alas, manuals don't usually get read until there are problems, if at all.) Having said that, I do think that encouraging users to update to the latest versions is a good thing, but it would be nice to do it less sneakily. I don't know how though. Remembering the Keep/Curr/Prev/Exp setting across setup.exe invocations would just make it easier for users like the OP to opt out of updates. Andy -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple