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Subject: Re: cygintl-8.dll was not found
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On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Dave Korn
<dave DOT korn DOT cygwin AT googlemail DOT com> wrote:
> On 05/04/2010 16:04, wefwef wefwef wrote:
>
>>> On 05/04/2010 15:40, wefwef wefwef wrote:
>
>>>> The cygwin setup program has some obvious gui design flaws - a two
>>>> year old can see that. It is a disaster from a usability point of
>>>> view.
>
>> Refer to my earlier mail for the full details of what's wrong with the
>> gui. To accuse me of being in a bad mood because I point out something
>> that is blatant and obvious is ridiculous.
>
> =A0I did. =A0You suggested renaming a couple of things and changing aroun=
d a
> couple of buttons: a couple of trivial tweaks that do not remotely justif=
y the
> term "disaster". =A0In your own words: "minor cosmetic changes".

Why do you assume that the difficulty of the fix has any relational to
the scope of the disaster. Most of the problems in the gui are trivial
to fix, that doesn't make it any less of a disaster.

>
> =A0You also proposed adding a feature it already has, a column telling you
> whether a package is already installed or not. =A0This tells me that you =
are not
> calmly and dispassionately observing what is in front of your eyes.
It doesn't have a column dedicated for this purpose, that column is
used also to instruct the installer what to do.

>
>> That wasn't my main problem, I just pointed it out as a rather
>> undesirable flaw in the installer. I mean, it's a function of the
>> installer to be able to download a set of packages,
>
> =A0No it isn't. =A0It is not intended as a generic downloader. =A0It is i=
ntended
> and designed to download just those packages that are necessary to update=
 any
> existing Cygwin installation.

If that's the case, then why does it offer to save packages without
installing - it obviously was intended as a way of downloading and
installing later. The fact is that the obvious way it should work, is
to get the current settings from the directory you are downloading to.
It's another example of a trivial change that can make a world of
difference, but will never be done because you lack imagination in how
minor changes can make big difference.

>
>> but for that to
>> actually work properly, you have to rename or remove your existing
>> installation. Seems a bit slapdash to me.
>
> =A0"Slapdash" here is just a pejorative euphemism for "not what I expecte=
d".
> You have to rid yourself of these arbitrary assumptions that are clouding=
 your
> thinking.
Yes, you're right, I didn't expect things to be that bad, but I've
lowered my expectations, and will expect poor quality as standard in
the future.

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