Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Message-ID: <41DC3E5D.3070105@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:22:05 -0600 From: Rob Bell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'cygwin AT cygwin DOT com'" Subject: Re: Bug: link.exe References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Hughes, Bill wrote: > Christopher Faylor wrote: > >>On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 11:02:54AM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >> >>>The bottom line is, you can complain, but the better solution is to >>>make your environment more foolproof against changes in one part of >>>it. In case of MSDEV tools I suggest to put the MSDEV tool path in >>>front of the Cygwin paths. It's what I'd do anyway. >> >>Hmm. I have to wonder how often sound, practical advice like the >>above is taken as "negative". >> >>Given that I've seen people claim to have been "flamed" here >>for including >>email addresses in the body of their messages, I think that >>some people >>set the bar a little low when interpreting email in a >>negative context. > > > Agreed, I bet anyone who thinks that is flaming has never been anywhere near > Usenet :-). > > FWIW (not much I know) if I've been an idiot I expect someone will tell me > as much, it's handy to be told how and why sometimes as I might not realise > for myself. > My impression is that it is people who only read the list somewhat > infrequently who think that 'certain people' are just mean (tm), anyone who > reads this a lot will understand the slow torture of the regularly dripping > tap. It's hard when from one persons point of view it's the same stupid > question or boneheaded suggestion AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN until you want > to get a hammer and, and... > and from the other persona POV "I only asked a question". ARRRGGH. > I'm glad it's not me on this ML, but I've been there, as you can tell. > > Bill It's not flaming as much as the exceptionally derisive attitude that a few members have when responding to questions. Those users could provide valuable information or guidance in a lot more friendly manner than bluntly saying "fix it yourself and, while you're at it, why don't you start maintaining it too?". This is the Cygwin mailing list, which is here to support Cygwin, an open source project. Open source projects are typically community-minded projects with many members asking questions, providing feedback and mutual support on issues, and working together to improve the project. Projects don't prosper by have a few 'experienced' folks being rude and ticked off because other people are asking questions. If those 'experienced' users are that fed up with participating in the project then perhaps they should just take a deep breath and avoid sending a response to those questions at all. Sometimes silence is better. That way other members can chime in with useful information. Bear in mind that I'm only talking about a couple of folks... In general there are lots of helpful folks here. If the question is an 'irritating' FAQ then just nicely point the user in the right direction. Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/