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From: Christopher Faylor <cgf AT cygnus DOT com>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:03:04 -0500
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Subject: Re: unsubscribe (OFF TOPIC)
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In-Reply-To: <36C2FB9D.519A1D88@ece.gatech.edu>; from Charles Wilson on Thu, Feb 11, 1999 at 10:47:42AM -0500

I have moved this discussion offline.

I would appreciate it if people would please let this thread die.

cgf

On Thu, Feb 11, 1999 at 10:47:42AM -0500, Charles Wilson wrote:
>Although I agree with your sentiment, Chris, I think you picked the wrong target.
>I did not find Simon's post to be a bad-humored rant at all. (Off-topic - well,
>probably so, yes) Truthfully, I thought he expressed a good idea - and rather
>than whining about some problem, he proposed a solution. That's what the
>open-source community is all about, right?
>
>Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> Actually, you have seen very few unsubscribe messages in the last few
>> years because the previous mailing list software was set up to do pretty
>> much what you describe.
>>
>> As should be painfully obvious, we are still in the process of tweaking
>> the new mailing list software.  We didn't get everything exactly right
>> in our first attempt.
>>
>> Also, you're responding to a thread that died out almost a week ago.
>>
>> Personally, I find these little bad-humored, off-topic rants much more
>> distracting than the occasional 'unsubscribe' message.
>>
>> YMMV.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 at 02:23:38PM -0800, Simon Quellen Field wrote:
>> >How many times over the past few years have we seen 'unsubscribe'
>> >messages?  When that many people can't figure out how to do common
>> >operations with a piece of software, maybe it's time to blame the
>> >software instead of the people.
>> >
>> >How difficult can it be to write a list server that looks at the mail it is
>> >about to send, checking for content that has nothing but the word
>> >'unsubscribe' in it?  Certainly once it has found such a piece of mail,
>> >it is not brain surgery to decide not to mail it out to the list, but
>> >instead to simply honor the request.
>> >
>> >Maybe the problem is that the list server was designed to make
>> >Multi-Level Marketing easy, (hence the name 'ezmlm'), and people
>> >who cater to spammers have a different outlook than a bunch of
>> >programmers who donate their time to providing free software to
>> >the world.
>> >
>> >Maybe the next free software project should be a smarter list server.
>> >
>> >At 03:18 PM 2/4/99 -0500, Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) wrote:
>> >>At 11:59 AM 2/4/99 -0800, H. Sawyer Gillespie wrote:
>> >>>unsubscribe
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Can people PLEASE stop sending their requests for unsubscribing to the list?
>> >>The proper way to unsubscribe from the list is to send mail to the LIST
>> >>SERVER address, NOT the list address itself.  If you don't know what the
>> >>address is that you should send to, check the Cygnus web site.  It clearly
>> >>states the address and the process.  See:
>> >>
>> >>   http://sourceware.cygnus.com/cygwin/lists.html
>> >>
>> >>For example, people looking to get off the cygwin list should send mail to
>> >>cygwin-unsubscribe AT sourceware DOT cygnus DOT com.

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